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RE: TV Social Media Pres Gold - Stooky Bill - 04-06-2024

(04-06-2024, 04:01 PM)James2001 Wrote:  That video's bizarre as TV Ark have added processing to make the video 50fps, even though the original report was clearly shot on film.

I think that's just their standard video format. Looks really crisp and decent quality to me.

The format it was shot on at the time is irrelevant, they will have digitised it from 25 fps interlaced video. The transfer from film took place almost 40 years ago

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RE: TV Social Media Pres Gold - Nini - 04-06-2024

(04-06-2024, 07:51 PM)Stooky Bill Wrote:  I think that's just their standard video format. Looks really crisp and decent quality to me.

The format it was shot on at the time is irrelevant, they will have digitised it from 25 fps interlaced video. The transfer from film took place almost 40 years ago

James is right, I think it's already been posted and it has been remarked on how it looks post-processed as even the original wouldn't have been that clean.

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RE: TV Social Media Pres Gold - James2001 - 04-06-2024

(04-06-2024, 07:51 PM)Stooky Bill Wrote:  I think that's just their standard video format. Looks really crisp and decent quality to me.

The format it was shot on at the time is irrelevant, they will have digitised it from 25 fps interlaced video. The transfer from film took place almost 40 years ago

It wouldn't have the 50Hz movement if it was shot on film though, however good or bad the transfer- and you can see dirt, scratches, grain and weave throughout which are telltale signs it was shot on film (especially on the material from the channel itself, which looks like it was telerecorded- with the right hand side and bottom of the frame quite clearly cut off during the idents and clock sequence, presumably due to how the telerecorder was set up).

I think the reason it looks so crisp is because it's been put through some sort of AI cleaning/upscale process alongside the conversion to 50fps (which I think also helps hide much of the film graininess).

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RE: TV Social Media Pres Gold - James2001 - 04-06-2024

Also, another clue is TV Ark also have an off-air clip of continuity from the channel itself which has been properly converted from 50i to 50p without any processing- notice the IVC is 50Hz, but the ident is 25 (and also doesn't have half of the last letter cut off), whereas the video of the BBC report has the ident with smooth 50Hz motion- which is another giveaway the BBC video has been artifically converted to 50fps:

https://tvark.org/satellite-continuity 

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RE: TV Social Media Pres Gold - Stooky Bill - 05-06-2024

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

However it was made all those years ago - film, VT, what sort of film used or how it was telecined, it's irrelevant. Those who digitised it in the 21st century have no choice but to convert from PAL 576 24i to <whatever resolution> 50p, there's not really any other option and almost everyone watching will be doing so on a progressive display.

Be glad they're not having to convert to an American format as some platforms insist on

The AI cleaning up is another matter, I think it works really well

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RE: TV Social Media Pres Gold - James2001 - 05-06-2024

I'm suprised you can't spot what I'm trying to explain, but maybe I'm doing it badly and someone else on here can explain it better than I can. I guess a better way to describe it is something like those motionflow settings a lot of modern TVs have, or the Vidfire process used on things like episodes of Doctor Who or Dad's Army to restore the video look to something that only survives as a telerecording. Just converting from 50i to 50p wouldn't do that.

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RE: TV Social Media Pres Gold - Larry the Loafer - 05-06-2024

(05-06-2024, 09:42 AM)Stooky Bill Wrote:  I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

However it was made all those years ago - film, VT, what sort of film used or how it was telecined, it's irrelevant. Those who digitised it in the 21st century have no choice but to convert from PAL 576 24i to <whatever resolution> 50p, there's not really any other option and almost everyone watching will be doing so on a progressive display.

Be glad they're not having to convert to an American format as some platforms insist on

The AI cleaning up is another matter, I think it works really well

If a 24fps film source is converted to 50fps, it won't look any smoother because the converter has no idea what those missing frames are. That data literally doesn't exist. You'll only get those missing frames filled in from some kind of AI or upscaler, which is what TV Ark is being accused of using. The fact that a film source is being used (almost guaranteed to be shot at 24fps) and has the smooth motion of a 50fps video is a clear sign that the original video file has been artificially enhanced.

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RE: TV Social Media Pres Gold - James2001 - 05-06-2024

Being shot for television, it will have been at 25 rather than 24fps, but other than that you're spot on.

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RE: General Election Media Gold - TIGHazard - 05-06-2024

(01-06-2024, 09:15 PM)Blubatt Wrote:  So, I have a Politics degree, and I am watching the election coverage where I can, be it from this year, or from previous years. Be it our current Prime Minister getting drenched as 'Things can only get better' plays over his speech, whether its Ed Milliband unveiling a concrete slab with his policies on them, or its Michael Portillo losing his seat to Stephen Twigg in '97 (Met Twigg once, incidentally. Nice bloke). With it being election season, maybe its time we looked at some of the 'best' bits of election coverage, PPBs, statements, interviews, and all other election related business. Obviously, not discussing politics, but we can certainly comment on the presentation.

From Newsnight in 1984- a young, Islington North Backbencher argues over dress code in Parliament.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZsYvkTw4Rg 

New Labour-New Danger from 1996/1997. The negative campaign against what even nonpartisan opinions would say was Labour's to win.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1lNLoEcJKQ 

Lastly, Labour's 'Land of Hope and Glory' using a lot of stick footage, and royalty free music which would likely keep the cost down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpMPqDaTAPs 



Admin edit: post moved here rather than being a standalone thread.

This intro to 'The Week' from 2005 has just re-surfaced, with Andrew Neil doing a parody of Peter Kay's 'Amarillo' video.

https://x.com/StephenCVGraham/status/1798252676314259835 

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RE: TV Social Media Pres Gold - VMPhil - 05-06-2024

This Week was ALWAYS like that

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