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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - interestednovice - 03-03-2023

It sounds as though World will just do that hour from C then; as they do now when one or other of the studios is being used for something else, the whole presenter and gallery crew swap over in the space of about 5 minutes.

If it’s the end of a shift, perhaps that can be managed a bit more easily, but it is also possible even if it isn’t.

After all, the original indications we had of when exactly during the day E and C would be used were clearly only very loose.

The long term ambition is surely that they will start using B, but I suppose there’s no reason that can’t wait until work actually starts on altering either C or E.

We all know already that introduction of the terrible background in C was designed to hide, to the casual viewer, which studio was which - making E and C appear essentially the same. Again, we enthusiasts notice the set immediately, but normal people won’t. That will have had the effect of hiding the simulcasts up until now, but will now also have the effect of making it seem as though nothing is changing for either NC or WN viewers when they use the “other studio”.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Pompeytv - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 08:12 PM)ginnyfan Wrote:  A totally unknown presenter, at least to me, is heading this first hour of the eternal simulcast that just started.

Ah so that's where Anjana Gadgil has gone. She is usually presenting on BBC South Today.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Newsroom - 03-03-2023

Would anyone know how viewing figures will be collated and validated moving forward.

I've no knowledge on the subject but I'd assume the News Channel's numbers as it is now will be recorded the same?

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - harshy - 03-03-2023

I wonder if the average Joe is gonna notice because it will still be called bbc news in the Uk and even when the so called new channel launches.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Newsroom - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 08:55 PM)harshy Wrote:  I wonder if the average Joe is gonna notice because it will still be called bbc news in the Uk and even when the so called new channel launches.

One would assume that there will be no mention of Swansea, Salford, Nottingham or Southampton so I'd say the chances are pretty high.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - interestednovice - 03-03-2023

Those are the two horses that the BBC are simultaneously attempting to ride!

For BBC World News viewers: nothing is changing, just a cool new name, we are going to be called “BBC News” from now on to match our website and app.

For BBC News Channel viewers: everything is changing, other than the name. The BBC are attempting to make viewers and Ofcom believe that the channel still exists and has not materially changed, despite the fact it has closed and could now best be described as a new regional variation of BBC World News (now the “new” BBC News channel).

The absolute average Joe, in the off the street sense, rarely watches the News Channel aside from serious or breaking news so will not notice anything. The “average” (non-pres geek) watching the News Channel a lot will start to notice something is up straight away, but the closure of the channel probably won’t dawn on them for a while. Whenever the full relaunch is, and they tune in of a morning expecting to see Annita McVeigh covering a good range of stories like they have done for years, but instead get Nicky Campbell asking Adrian from Leicester if he trusts politicians any more; that’s when the true extent of it will dawn on them!

Of course, at first you just think it’s “another shared hour” (normal people won’t know the word simulcast, but will recognise the “viewers in the UK and around the world” intro by now) but then eventually you notice that the shared hour has never ended. That’s when you realise it’s an eternal simulcast!

Similarly, for Word News viewers, the “BBC News” name, instead of BBC World News, has been phased in over almost a decade so the rebrand will initially appear low-key. After all, the golden rule always was that viewers in the UK might be allowed to believe that output was shared but were never allowed to hear the BBC World News name as a reference to the channel - so shared hours were always introduced as BBC News.

Outside Source broke ranks in it’s early days, as they used to make a big deal of how “if you’re watching in the UK on the BBC News Channel, coming up is the News at Ten with Huw Edwards - there he is getting ready; if you are watching around the world on BBC World News, it’s World News America”. They then had a brief discussion on an America-focused story with Katty Kay about what was coming up on said show.

Again, later on, 100 Days was simulcast on BBC Four, BBC World News and the BBC News Channel. BBC Four left the broadcast at half-past, so they would always say “coming up, for viewers on the BBC News Channel and BBC World News” ahead of that point. It was one of the few times that the NC was actually mentioned in preference to a BBC-number channel - usually the wording was inverted, such as in the example of BBC Two leaving a NC simulcast: it was always “goodbye to viewers on BBC Two”. BBC Four, I assumed, was deliberately not mentioned due to it potentially confusing BBC World News viewers.

Newsday also broke ranks with it’s intro, with a reference too. “This is BBC World News, live from London and Singapore, it’s Newsday”. Again, the sort-of excuse there was it was output from Singapore, so worked in a way as it was obvious “world news”.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Kojak - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 08:59 PM)Newsroom Wrote:  

(03-03-2023, 08:55 PM)harshy Wrote:  I wonder if the average Joe is gonna notice because it will still be called bbc news in the Uk and even when the so called new channel launches.

One would assume that there will be no mention of Swansea

You mean...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3A0qbq6yM 

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - ginnyfan - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 08:54 PM)Pompeytv Wrote:  

(03-03-2023, 08:12 PM)ginnyfan Wrote:  A totally unknown presenter, at least to me, is heading this first hour of the eternal simulcast that just started.

Ah so that's where Anjana Gadgil has gone. She is usually presenting on BBC South Today.

Oh, I didn't even realise I've seen her on WNA a week ago!

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - DTV - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 08:16 PM)interestednovice Wrote:  Well, yes, but we have already seen the “template” for such hours as part of the extended simulcasts that already exist.

My main assumption has always been that the 10:00 'fudge' hour will broadly serve as a template for the new channel, particularly in terms of editorial balance. That's the only real example we have of simulcasting during peak-UK breaking news hours. It's why I think those who are rather pessimistic about the amount of UK news on the channel are likely to be pleasantly surprised, especially considering Turness has been reported on several occasions as demanding more UK news on it.

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harshy - harshy - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 09:25 PM)DTV Wrote:  

(03-03-2023, 08:16 PM)interestednovice Wrote:  Well, yes, but we have already seen the “template” for such hours as part of the extended simulcasts that already exist.

My main assumption has always been that the 10:00 'fudge' hour will broadly serve as a template for the new channel, particularly in terms of editorial balance. That's the only real example we have of simulcasting during peak-UK breaking news hours. It's why I think those who are rather pessimistic about the amount of UK news on the channel are likely to be pleasantly surprised, especially considering Turness has been reported on several occasions as demanding more UK news on it.

Isn’t that what bbc world news did back in 1991 starting with Uk news then drifting off off to foreign news ?

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