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RE: harshy - DTV - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 09:29 PM)harshy Wrote:  Isn’t that what bbc world news did back in 1991 starting with Uk news then drifting off off to foreign news ?

When BBC WSTV Europe launched in March 1991, most of its news output were simulcasts of network bulletins (initially Breakfast News, the One, the Nine and Newsnight), but there was an internationally focussed BBC World Service News bulletin at 19:00 (which was preceded by World Business Report). BBC WSTV Asia, which launched in October 1991 and is the real basis of BBC World, was much more internationally oriented from the start.

Of course, BBC World has always had a slightly greater lean towards UK news than would be truly objective, but its bespoke news content has always been based around international news. In more recent years, some of the evening simulcasts (Outside Source and Beyond 100 Days/The Context) have been much more open to including UK news, often as lead stories (sometimes when might not necessarily be justified). The 10:00 hour has been similarly, if not more so, in this vein and has long been my expectation of where the merged channel will end up. Even though it would be commercially justified, I just don't think the BBC actually have the balls to go full World News on the new channel.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - interestednovice - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 09:25 PM)DTV Wrote:  

(03-03-2023, 08:16 PM)interestednovice Wrote:  Well, yes, but we have already seen the “template” for such hours as part of the extended simulcasts that already exist.

My main assumption has always been that the 10:00 'fudge' hour will broadly serve as a template for the new channel, particularly in terms of editorial balance. That's the only real example we have of simulcasting during peak-UK breaking news hours. It's why I think those who are rather pessimistic about the amount of UK news on the channel are likely to be pleasantly surprised, especially considering Turness has been reported on several occasions as demanding more UK news on it.

Yes, and although the simulcast started as an opportunity to clean Studio C during the pandemic (since B had gone out of use, C was broadcasting almost 24/7) and cover a sort of gap in shifts for BBC World News, it’s been obvious in recent times that they have been using it as a testbed “live pilot” of the editorial balance for the merged channel, using the real stories of the day to see how it works - and to see if UK or World viewers notice.

There are a few things to add to that, though, that make it less simple than it would initially appear. The 10am hour is one of World News’s quietest hours, it is not prime-time in Asia or America and it is 11am in Central Europe - Europeans watching are likely to be at least vaguely interested in British news anyway, plus even for them it’s not a key time.

It’s also been a NC-produced simulcast, not a WN-produced one. This means it has made less provision for WN than most simulcasts do - and is really treated as WN “dropping in” to the NC schedule for an hour, rather than the other way around. Other than ending at 10:55, to allow for adverts at the end of the hour, there are no  real breaks as there usually are on WN. One assumes that they don’t manage to air as many ads as usual during this hour. That may be OK, as it’s not one of their peak times and it’s easier on the NC team not to have to worry too much about the ad breaks, but I doubt it would work for every hour.

My take on Turness now being forceful about a requirement for more UK-News is also somewhat opposite to yours. My working assumption is that the original plan was very little UK news; the reason she then pushed back so strongly against it was that she felt that was unworkable and unacceptable for British audiences after she had reviewed the plans. So my expectations are still not high.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Rolling News - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 08:26 PM)Radio_man Wrote:  Robert Rea has been answering some questions on twitter

https://twitter.com/robertrea/status/1631705020121882625?t=bjgLALt45Vy49OLm86aVxg&s=19 

https://twitter.com/robertrea/status/1631707116904775702?t=jgjYNNX3anjLhSjRnRaMog&s=19 

He also said that the News at 1 will not be coming from B on Monday. So it'll either go out on World as well as in the UK, or World will decamp to C for the 1 - 2pm hour.

https://twitter.com/robertrea/status/1631762635476664322?s=46&t=dCsSRcUAyRo9dLWR_iqQeA 

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - chrisherald - 03-03-2023

Regarding Turness, it may be necessary "to be seen" to be fighting for reasonable domestic output as a counterweight to the reality of a mixed bag future, this way, "We, the BBC, can say we fought the good fight!"

I am pessimistic about the overall trajectory of the BBC, but I also believe an editorial balance/mix is possible, so long as the underlying journalistic machine isn't broken, and output can at least be split on a playlist level (which it can). Output will ultimately be okay, but the institution is weaker with roles and departments hollowed out in some manner. It's just less broad opportunity (for jobs, for output, etc) as the BBC is made smaller, global profile muddied. Although, in some respects, BBC World is perhaps getting (in time, over time) a slight studio and presentation upgrade out of this. Domestic visibility of (formerly) world output should eventually result in some upgrades that world would never have gotten.

"Radio visualization" should be the only two words anyone need hear to understand this change should matter from a regulatory standpoint; I love radio, but gawd, not on TV, not in place of what we had, unless the radio studio and production style refit becomes something more of TV on the Radio (instead of the other way round). But with call-ins... just no. Hopefully other hours will be decent.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Radio_man - 03-03-2023

(03-03-2023, 10:08 PM)Rolling News Wrote:  

(03-03-2023, 08:26 PM)Radio_man Wrote:  Robert Rea has been answering some questions on twitter

https://twitter.com/robertrea/status/1631705020121882625?t=bjgLALt45Vy49OLm86aVxg&s=19 

https://twitter.com/robertrea/status/1631707116904775702?t=jgjYNNX3anjLhSjRnRaMog&s=19 

He also said that the News at 1 will not be coming from B on Monday. So it'll either go out on World as well as in the UK, or World will decamp to C for the 1 - 2pm hour.

https://twitter.com/robertrea/status/1631762635476664322?s=46&t=dCsSRcUAyRo9dLWR_iqQeA 

Looks like 1 - 2pm might still be a UK only news hour with the 1 presenter then, unless the NC will crash into the World output at 1:32-33pm.
Either that, or the 1 will be timed perfectly from Monday for the NC to hit the World 1:30pm bulletin start every day.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - JayCasey - 04-03-2023

The 11pm hour was a bit of a shambles with the ticker and clock on during the countdown and then on and off during the headlines.

Don’t know whether this is controlled by what would have been the news channel team but looked very disjointed to watch.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - News76 - 04-03-2023

(04-03-2023, 12:03 AM)JayCasey Wrote:  The 11pm hour was a bit of a shambles with the ticker and clock on during the countdown and then on and off during the headlines.

Don’t know whether this is controlled by what would have been the news channel team but looked very disjointed to watch.

And they had the wrong music (aka the Newsday music) playing too.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - oscillon - 04-03-2023

(04-03-2023, 12:06 AM)News76 Wrote:  

(04-03-2023, 12:03 AM)JayCasey Wrote:  The 11pm hour was a bit of a shambles with the ticker and clock on during the countdown and then on and off during the headlines.

Don’t know whether this is controlled by what would have been the news channel team but looked very disjointed to watch.

And they had the wrong music (aka the Newsday music) playing too.

Also no globe animation between the headlines at all, just like in an old style network bulletin.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - JayCasey - 04-03-2023

We also have BBC.com and @bbcworld on the ticker. Is that normal on normal BBC News channel overnights?

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - JayCasey - 04-03-2023

The midnight hour seems like a “world” production but with a hint of a “UK” flavour

The ticker however still is looking like it’s more international than it is local.

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