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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - bbctvtechop - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 02:59 PM)Moz Wrote:There are also some 15/45 splits.(06-03-2023, 02:38 PM)Transmission Wrote: I can't imagine it won't have one. It's something that's been expected on news channels since long before even tickers were, and the convenience and usefulness to viewers outweighs the slight delay on some platforms.
Speaking of the clock, it did disappear for about 15 minutes at around 09:15 this morning, there were a few problems with the news channel ticker for a little while.
You’d think BBC World would feature a clock with UTC time on it. Most of the time you only look at a clock for the minutes anyway and while there are some time zones with +/- 30 minutes this is rare.
(06-03-2023, 07:34 PM)DTV Wrote: I have to say the cautious optimism I had earlier in the day has disappeared as it went on. Although Hockings' shift was fairly reasonably balanced (about 30-40% UK news during shared output and with key world news taking priority), the afternoon shifts have been far more skewed in favour of UK news - some have featured majority domestic news stories and the 17:00 hour was well into the 60-70% bracket of a typical unsimulcast BBC News channel hour, featuring only four non-UK stories (including just one in the back-half). It really did seem that they had forgotten they were going out internationally.I presume you're talking from the POV of a domestic viewer wanting more domestic news. Glad you were satisfied. However there are international audiences now seeing stories they are uninterested in at the expense, presumably, of stories they were previously more interested in. They are not being as well served as they were last week. Such is the fudge of combining the channels. Remember, the World feed contains all important advertisers (who pay based on audience figures) to fund/subsidise the channel. Less satisfied audience = less viewers = less advertising revenue = more cutbacks.
A real part of the problem seems to be pacing - some of the afternoon hours were interminably slow - the 17:00 hour featured just six stories in its first half, one of which was just in passing. This is something that has definitely got worse in recent years, but is something they really should look at - not least as fitting in more stories will allow more of the world to get covered, while allowing more UK stories in and meaning that the ones of dubious international relevance (which today included Raab's bullying allegations, northern train delays and fire services strike) stick out less. News in Brief segments - including maybe a UK in Brief and an Around the World in Brief segment - would really help out here (I only saw one today).
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - DTV - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 08:08 PM)bbctvtechop Wrote: I presume you're talking from the POV of a domestic viewer wanting more domestic news. Glad you were satisfied. However there are international audiences now seeing stories they are uninterested in at the expense, presumably, of stories they were previously more interested in. They are not being as well served as they were last week. Such is the fudge of combining the channels. Remember, the World feed contains all important advertisers (who pay based on audience figures) to fund/subsidise the channel. Less satisfied audience = less viewers = less advertising revenue = more cutbacks.Not at all, I was really pointing out that the skew in certain hours was way too UK-based to the extent of, at times, being virtually unchanged from a standard News channel hour. And I'd certainly agree that underserving the world audience isn't wise - global advertising revenues are, after all, making up at least three-quarters of the new channel's budget.
Obviously, there does have to be more UK news on the new channel compared to BBC World News, but I would say that a satisfactory balance during shared output is around one-third of airtime and that which is of no relevance to international audiences would be better off being placed into UK in Brief segments.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Kojak - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 08:08 PM)bbctvtechop Wrote: I presume you're talking from the POV of a domestic viewer wanting more domestic news. Glad you were satisfied. However there are international audiences now seeing stories they are uninterested in at the expense, presumably, of stories they were previously more interested in. They are not being as well served as they were last week. Such is the fudge of combining the channels. Remember, the World feed contains all important advertisers (who pay based on audience figures) to fund/subsidise the channel. Less satisfied audience = less viewers = less advertising revenue = more cutbacks.
That wasn't at all the sense I got from DTV's post. If anything, they seemed to be thinking much more along the lines that you are: that there has been too much UK news on the channel today. I'd agree with you both, as it happens. I think if they're going to show World to us, they might as well give us full-fat international news (with UK news during World's advert breaks). After all, we have the 1, 6 and 10 for UK news, not to mention radio and the website. Of course, in an ideal world we'd still have the News Channel - and I still think other services could and should have been cut first. But, we are where we are. Might as well make the best of it.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - ginnyfan - 06-03-2023
Strange going straight into sport after a full proper TOTH 30 minutes past the hour, at least for World viewers....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2cMlpDlGHY
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - eyeTV - 06-03-2023
As only a very casual viewer I don't like what I've seen so far. It seems such a fudge to combine these services.
The UK only stories feel out of place on an international news channel and the focus on world issues is at the detriment of domestic issues that would ordinarily take priority. I really dislike every domestic story being prefaced with 'UK' - 'UK Deputy Prime Minister', 'UK Police Officer'. Many will be confused that the priorities of the UK BBC News website are not reflected on the news channel.
Ultimately it will be to the detriment of both sets of viewers. But lets see how it plays out.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Newsroom - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 09:04 PM)eyeTV Wrote: As only a very casual viewer I don't like what I've seen so far. It seems such a fudge to combine these services.Thanks for summing up today so perfectly.
The UK only stories feel out of place on an international news channel and the focus on world issues is at the detriment of domestic issues that would ordinarily take priority. I really dislike every domestic story being prefaced with 'UK' - 'UK Deputy Prime Minister', 'UK Police Officer'. Many will be confused that the priorities of the UK BBC News website are not reflected on the news channel.
Ultimately it will be to the detriment of both sets of viewers. But let's see how it plays out.
It's a disaster for those of us that did tune in for the UK service.
Already adapting to Sky once Kay Burley is off air.
It'll sink, and not swim. Back pedalling guaranteed.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - TheJarv - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 09:04 PM)eyeTV Wrote: As only a very casual viewer I don't like what I've seen so far. It seems such a fudge to combine these services.Agree, we cut straight to the Wayne Couzens verdict then as soon as that was over went to Turkey, the context with a reporter at the scene came 50 minutes later
The UK only stories feel out of place on an international news channel and the focus on world issues is at the detriment of domestic issues that would ordinarily take priority. I really dislike every domestic story being prefaced with 'UK' - 'UK Deputy Prime Minister', 'UK Police Officer'. Many will be confused that the priorities of the UK BBC News website are not reflected on the news channel.
Ultimately it will be to the detriment of both sets of viewers. But lets see how it plays out.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Andrew - 06-03-2023
I wonder where in the running order the snow that is expected on Thursday will sit
Normally it’d probably be high up and they’d dine out on it repeatedly hours on end with reporters stood in snow
It’d look farcical on a world news channel but it’s also what UK viewers expect to see
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - harshy - 06-03-2023
Yeah it was always going to be the case World have lost their afternoon branded shows and Focus on Africa and Uk viewers well what’s left of them will ultimately move over to sky news if they want a Uk agenda, the highlight was seeing Studio E lit up in something other then plain old red.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - dvboy - 06-03-2023
(06-03-2023, 07:30 PM)Radio_man Wrote:(06-03-2023, 07:02 PM)dvboy Wrote: Clive Myrie just said Christian Fraser would be on next, ahead of the Six presented by Reeta (presumably Christian is on World)"Look at putting right"? It was a minor slip from Clive as he was padding to hit the closing titles - hardly anything to get upset about. And it's arguably the most relevant comment to make anyway - the majority of viewers will be World viewers.
That's one thing they are going to need to look at putting right.
For the first full weekday of joint operation, I'd say today has gone pretty well.
Wasn't upset about it, just thought it was worth pointing out as they normally are quite good at that sort of thing in comparison to CNN.
You'd think Clive would be aware that it was almost 6pm and the two channels would be doing different things at the top of the hour.
I don't know if this is something that would be on a script or autocue but that's what I meant by "look at putting right".
(06-03-2023, 08:30 PM)ginnyfan Wrote: Strange going straight into sport after a full proper TOTH 30 minutes past the hour, at least for World viewers....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2cMlpDlGHY
Interesting, I had assumed that was NC only especially as Gavin mentioned Sportsday would be coming up at 18:30.