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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - AaronLancs - 07-03-2023

(07-03-2023, 06:31 PM)Moz Wrote:  Who needs the BBC News Channel when you have a live stream on the website!? 

Is it me or does that left hand side riff the 2000 BBC World Breakfiller?

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Newsroom - 07-03-2023

(07-03-2023, 07:40 PM)DTV Wrote:  

(07-03-2023, 05:34 PM)Newsroom Wrote:  I stumbled across this from 2001 when back then and  it was deemed almost essential to let viewers know they were watching a 'joint service' - and it's not the only example of course.

So what exactly has changed 'commercially' internally that it is not so important now?  Because it was most certainly important in 2001 to let people know what they were watching.

The organisational arrangements behind BBC World have changed about half-a-dozen times since then, so the rules have probably been written and rewritten several times. I guess one of the main things is that in the early-2000s there was a lot of worry from certain quarters about BBC World, which was loss-making at the time, being unfairly subsidised by the licence fee. Given that World had to be pay domestic a 'fair' usage fee for any UK-produced material used (and vice versa), it may have been the case that extraordinary joint programming had to be flagged so that nothing got under the radar.

Today, the channels are not just more integrated administratively, but BBC World News is now a profit-making enterprise so there is less worry about it being over-generously treated. Plus, for various reasons, the government has become less bothered about the relationship between the BBC's public service and commercial enterprises (e.g., the 2015 reforms around BBC Studios now mean that the commercial BBC is involved in the day-to-day of public service BBC anyway).

I do adore you invaluable insight DTV, but could I ask how you are SO insightful? Even if it's because you're the average geek like the most of us. 

Thanks again for your response.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - DTV - 07-03-2023

(07-03-2023, 08:04 PM)Newsroom Wrote:  could I ask how you are SO insightful? Even if it's because you're the average geek like the most of us.

I'm not sure insightful is necessarily the word I'd use, but I guess it's a combination of previously at one point having had too much time on my hands and ending up reading a load of odd websites and internal documents, being part-researcher by trade and maintaining an overly long Word document filled with notes on these kinds of things so that I don't forget them.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - chrisherald - 07-03-2023

I'd have to figure they keep business segments during morning programs because frankly it's an easy news item to produce. It's comparatively cheap content with plenty of filler items (when the graphics animate properly) such as here's a look at the 15 minute delayed stock prices.

Issues of the economy are of course important and widespread, but if there was an actual attempt to address real economic concerns most political news items would have to be covered in much greater depth. Otherwise we wind up with migrant boats and tomatoes and well you know that thing we voted on and now we're here. Business programs are a poor substitute for actually communicating the reality of economic life throughout the news agenda.

Not to mention, the caliber of presentation (decent and likable people nonetheless) and guests during what are supposed to be specialist programs. If you're going to talk finance really get into it; the stories always feel surface level.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - chrisherald - 07-03-2023

Also, I love that people are asking "where is Focus on Africa," cause I've been asking for a few days since it was either reported here or was in the press release or news article. "Partners" is indeed the answer. Does this mean hotels, airlines, private distribution outside of direct linear channels, so, maybe PBS stations (as an incorrect example) have the file to run it whenever they want, but it's not a fixed item. Who knows anymore. I wonder if brands like that will continue once whatever global commercial agreements currently exist come up for renewal.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - interestednovice - 07-03-2023

Frankly, I think that is quite unfair to much of the BBC's business output, that produced by World News especially.

Business on BBC Breakfast is often a very surface-level look at what I would loosely term "consumer issues". Things like "inflation is up", what is it, a basic explainer and reference to how it "affects all of us and that's why you might find your money isn't stretching as far as it used to". Pitched at a low level for the average Joe to digest in the morning when only half awake! News at Six and News at Ten can be a bit better, but still assume a low level of overall economic understanding - this may be no bad thing, given recent research that many adults are confused by how news reports communicate economic issues.

World News business has always been pitched at a higher level, and this is likely due to the "international businessman traveller" kind of audience. There was some confusion earlier in the thread between the 5:30am Business Briefing and the former 8:30am business programme - BBC Business Live, later BBC Worklife. BBC Business Live, at launch, had two presenters - the morning BBC WN business presenter, who had been presenting the 5:30am World Business Report, and the BBC News Channel morning business bulletin presenter, who would go on to present business on the BBC News Channel. The programme took advantage of two shifts overlapping to allow for dual presentation. Later on, the NC business presenter position was axed, as part of overall cutbacks to the NC (sound familiar?) meaning it would no longer routinely feature business programming. BBC Worklife then went for more of a blend of business and lifestyle features, often padded out with a short from the BBC website. This was obviously cheaper to produce and wasn't as "hard business news". The second presenter was now the morning 7am shift WN presenter, along with the early morning business WN presenter (as WN kept it's own business programming). This usually meant Sally Bundock or Victoria Valentine paired with either David Eades or Karin Giannone.

The 5am hour on WN was originally a news presenter 5-5:30, then an edition of World Business Report with a business presenter at 5:30, followed by a full newspaper review with the two presenters plus guest around 5:45 to 6:00am. The guest was generally a business/economic analyst or other person with expertise, and the review focused on business or economic stories in global newspapers, with an element of looking ahead to the day's events. This evolved into the Briefing. The formerly-business presenter now presented the whole hour solid. You would have "The Briefing" at 5am, "Business Briefing" at 5:30am and then "News Briefing" at about 5:45am, again with a guest joining the presenter. This was scrapped for the pandemic, as guests were not allowed into the Studio routinely, and the branding ended to simplify operational work in the background. The 5:45 time has, since then, sometimes had filler and sometimes involved extended business coverage. It is now an "unbranded" World Business Report as per the EPG. It's not actually referred to as that on screen, however. It's usually introduced with something like: "Hello again, time now for the latest business stories. I'm Sally Bundock".

Sally has referred, both on screen and on Twitter, to a "hope" that something like in-studio guests and the old format of the Briefing may come back in some form, but we've seen no move towards it so far.

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(07-03-2023, 09:08 PM)chrisherald Wrote:  Also, I love that people are asking "where is Focus on Africa," cause I've been asking for a few days since it was either reported here or was in the press release or news article. "Partners" is indeed the answer. Does this mean hotels, airlines, private distribution outside of direct linear channels, so, maybe PBS stations (as an incorrect example) have the file to run it whenever they want, but it's not a fixed item. Who knows anymore. I wonder if brands like that will continue once whatever global commercial agreements currently exist come up for renewal.

Yes, partners (generally broadcasters in Africa, I would assume) will be able to air the programme as per their agreements, probably almost whenever they like within reason.

Now that it's produced in another studio, I imagine it's still avaliable to take live - so partners can either air it live or broadcast it later.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Moz - 07-03-2023

You've gotta love how the BBC has got all our expectations so low now that a major BBC News rebrand in less than 4 weeks has most of us here on less than tenterhooks.

Previously a place like this would be a urine-flooded feverish excitement-fest.

As it stands I'll be amazed if we get new lower-thirds, astounded with new titles, and am just expecting new presenters and maybe a couple of break aways for UK breaking news per month.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - bbctvtechop - 07-03-2023

(07-03-2023, 09:31 PM)Moz Wrote:  You've gotta love how the BBC has got all our expectations so low now that a major BBC News rebrand in less than 4 weeks has most of us here on less than tenterhooks.

Previously a place like this would be a urine-flooded feverish excitement-fest.

As it stands I'll be amazed if we get new lower-thirds, astounded with new titles, and am just expecting new presenters and maybe a couple of break aways for UK breaking news per month.

Who said the rebranding is happening in April, please?

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Rolling News - 07-03-2023

I was today years old when I realised BBC World News do full TOTH sequences every 30 minutes (presumably only during hours when there's no back half hour filler programme).

Has this always been the case?

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Moz - 07-03-2023

(07-03-2023, 09:36 PM)bbctvtechop Wrote:  

(07-03-2023, 09:31 PM)Moz Wrote:  You've gotta love how the BBC has got all our expectations so low now that a major BBC News rebrand in less than 4 weeks has most of us here on less than tenterhooks.

Previously a place like this would be a urine-flooded feverish excitement-fest.

As it stands I'll be amazed if we get new lower-thirds, astounded with new titles, and am just expecting new presenters and maybe a couple of break aways for UK breaking news per month.

Who said the rebranding is happening in April, please?

So it’s not happening in April?

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