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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - thevaran - 11-03-2023

(10-03-2023, 11:41 PM)Kojak Wrote:  Guide dogs AGAIN! This is seriously getting beyond a joke now.

This could be a funny story for the newspapers to write about.
BBC replacing The Papers review with the same guide dogs piece night after night.
Let some journalist that covers the BBC News channels merger know about it.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Worzel - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 01:45 AM)thevaran Wrote:  

(10-03-2023, 11:41 PM)Kojak Wrote:  Guide dogs AGAIN! This is seriously getting beyond a joke now.

This could be a funny story for the newspapers to write about.
BBC replacing The Papers review with the same guide dogs piece night after night.
Let some journalist that covers the BBC News channels merger know about it.

Maybe its someone's humorous way of saying the channel's 'gone to the dogs' or comparing the first week's merger to a dog's hind leg.

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(11-03-2023, 12:25 AM)Kojak Wrote:  

(11-03-2023, 12:18 AM)Frances Wrote:  The 5 was once branded BBC Five O’Clock News with Huw Edwards on EPG and website. I guess it’s because normally the 1700 hour was most-watched on NC so they made a programme for Huw?

I think it was a response to Sky's then-newly revamped Live at Five programme with Jeremy Thompson. That had its own branding and agenda ('five more reasons to watch Live at Five', anyone?) so presumably the Beeb thought 'anything you can do, we can do better' and brought Huw in at 5pm, branding that hour like one of the network bulletins.

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(11-03-2023, 12:06 AM)Worzel Wrote:  Wasn't Deborah Turness at ITV News when the 2005 revamp took place and the ITV News channel started sharing much more in the way of network staff/presenters? With her now at the helm of BBC News I'm quite surprised a similar strategy hasn't been adopted?

Strictly speaking, it was David Mannion in charge when that revamp took place. You may have a point about Turness, though I don't know how much is up to her and how much may be overruled by people at the very top (or even people below her doing things under her nose!).

But Turness was Editor of ITV News at the time and would've had some input?

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - bakamann - 11-03-2023

Has BBC Newswatch covered the BBC News/BBC World News merging, or at least plan to discuss it?

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Frances - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 06:46 AM)bakamann Wrote:  Has BBC Newswatch covered the BBC News/BBC World News merging, or at least plan to discuss it?

Yes they interviewed Richard Ayre, who said there’ll be domestic focused 2nd half hour.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - harshy - 11-03-2023

Gary Lineker on world news this is a joke hopefully next month the UK opt or whatever it is kicks in, even if it comes from a broom cupboard so be it.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Newsroom - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 11:12 AM)harshy Wrote:  Gary Lineker on world news this is a joke hopefully next month the UK opt or whatever it is kicks in, even if it comes from a broom cupboard so be it.

All roads point to Tim Davie. This is entirely his doing and you are spot on - it is a complete joke!

How on earth this merger will work is truly mind bending. People outside of the UK give diddly squat about Gary Linekar and have no idea what Final Score of Football Focus us. 

It simply will not work.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Kojak - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 11:25 AM)Newsroom Wrote:  

(11-03-2023, 11:12 AM)harshy Wrote:  Gary Lineker on world news this is a joke hopefully next month the UK opt or whatever it is kicks in, even if it comes from a broom cupboard so be it.

All roads point to Tim Davie. This is entirely his doing and you are spot on - it is a complete joke!

How on earth this merger will work is truly mind bending. People outside of the UK give diddly squat about Gary Linekar and have no idea what Final Score of Football Focus us. 

It simply will not work.

I think the only way it could have worked is for it to be a proper world news channel. That wouldn’t necessarily be great for us in the UK but it would be very much the least worst option. At least we have the network bulletins, the website, BBC radio for domestic news. The rest of the world… doesn’t - so it’s only fair that the news channel focuses on them. Keep the 1, 6 and 10 simulcasts if they must (but with sign language!) and let the rest of it be like BBC World of old.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - James2001 - 11-03-2023

Literally the first week of the merger and the combination of guide dogs and Gary Lineker has proved it's not going to work. How long do we think before there's some sort off reversion?

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - ALV - 11-03-2023

A huge issue I’m having with the Gary Lineker coverage during simulcast is the lack of CONTEXT…

For example, during the 11AM simulcast, they dedicated 12 minutes for this story, and in these 12 minutes the producers/editors didn’t bother to add a piece to explain who is Gary Lineker, what in the world is MOTD, why is the issue a matter of importance in the UK etc… This can be a 1 min mention when the presenter introduces the top story.

The lower third just writes “BBC Gary Lineker Controversy” - how about modifying it to a World friendly version, like “BBC Sport Presenter in Controversy”, then mention Gary’s name in the second line?

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - James2001 - 11-03-2023

Part of the problem then is that trying to provide context to international viewers may make it look patronising to UK audiences- it's an issue it's going to be very, very hard to properly balance when you're broadcasting to both UK and international viewers. And even with context, most international viewers aren't going to care about the story anyway and will be annoyed it's taking up so much airtime. This really has shown up just how difficult, if not impossible, it's going to be to properly handle major stories of UK interest but limited to zero interest for international viewers on a merged channel. The Lineker story is one that likely wouldn't have been anywhere near BBC World pre-merger, now it's taking up half their airtime.

This sort of situation is why the merged channel is likely to fall apart quite quickly after a there's been a few major UK stories and inadequate handling that will likely annoy both UK and international viewers. Adding context for international viewers will make UK viewers feel they're being talked to like children, not enough coverage of major (or even minor) UK stories will make UK viewers annoyed, UK stories of zero foreign interest will annoy international viewers, it's never going to work. UK viewers want to know what's going on at home, international viewers will turn off at UK stories about people, places and companies they've never heard of. It's like merging Radios 1 and 3 and expecting it to work.

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