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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - oscillon - 03-02-2023

(03-02-2023, 02:41 PM)ALV Wrote:  Singapore (Daytime only):

It seems to me that this backdrop is actually a window with a very real view of Singapore. They use it in later hours, while in the first hour or two they indeed use the monitors (presumably because it's dark outside at the time).

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Newsroom - 03-02-2023

(03-02-2023, 05:45 PM)oscillon Wrote:  

(03-02-2023, 02:41 PM)ALV Wrote:  Singapore (Daytime only):

It seems to me that this backdrop is actually a window with a very real view of Singapore. They use it in later hours, while in the first hour or two they indeed use the monitors (presumably because it's dark outside at the time).

That catwalk turned out to be a huge waste of money. Rarely used.

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harshy - harshy - 03-02-2023

(03-02-2023, 06:01 PM)Newsroom Wrote:  

(03-02-2023, 05:45 PM)oscillon Wrote:  It seems to me that this backdrop is actually a window with a very real view of Singapore. They use it in later hours, while in the first hour or two they indeed use the monitors (presumably because it's dark outside at the time).

That catwalk turned out to be a huge waste of money. Rarely used.

It’s used on Asia Business Report not shown on the news channel.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - matthieu1221 - 03-02-2023

(03-02-2023, 07:40 AM)Independent Wrote:  

(02-02-2023, 11:06 PM)Lester Wrote:   Sad that a country of nearly 70 million has just 1 dedicated news channel. I refuse to include the two new ones which are just cheap Fox chit chat.

Sky News is loss making as others have mentioned elsewhere. France has a similar population size but has four news channels, three private. But the private ones, based on people's description, are very tabloid in nature and are like Fox, GB and Talk. News channels are not sustainable let alone profitable unless they take the route like those in the US.

How many domestic news channels are there in other countries? It would be interesting to see. These come to mind for me:
The US have many because they're wealthy, with a much larger geography and population and pure commentary programming for news channels is acceptable. None are publicly owned IIRC.
Australia has two, ABC and Sky.
Canada has two national ones in English and another two in French, one private and one public for each official language. Two private local news channels.
Denmark have one, publicly owned with ads. Same for Norway but privately owned. But New Zealand with a similar population sizes as the Scandinavian ones has no news channels.

In France, only BFMTV is profitable. It's not as tabloidy as it used to be, and it's brilliant for rolling news and breaking news, but it's nothing like what you'd find on Sky or on the BBC. As they found out when they shifted away from being solely a newswheel, people don't want to watch what they think is just 'boring' news! Though that being said, they get about roughly 2% of total audience share with their daytime rolling news, which I believe is far higher than anything in the UK?

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RE: harshy - Newsroom - 03-02-2023

(03-02-2023, 06:07 PM)harshy Wrote:  

(03-02-2023, 06:01 PM)Newsroom Wrote:  That catwalk turned out to be a huge waste of money. Rarely used.

It’s used on Asia Business Report not shown on the news channel.

Still makes no sense when Newsday - the bureau's flagship programme doesn't utilise it.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Kojak - 03-02-2023

(03-02-2023, 06:10 PM)matthieu1221 Wrote:  

(03-02-2023, 07:40 AM)Independent Wrote:  Sky News is loss making as others have mentioned elsewhere. France has a similar population size but has four news channels, three private. But the private ones, based on people's description, are very tabloid in nature and are like Fox, GB and Talk. News channels are not sustainable let alone profitable unless they take the route like those in the US.

How many domestic news channels are there in other countries? It would be interesting to see. These come to mind for me:
The US have many because they're wealthy, with a much larger geography and population and pure commentary programming for news channels is acceptable. None are publicly owned IIRC.
Australia has two, ABC and Sky.
Canada has two national ones in English and another two in French, one private and one public for each official language. Two private local news channels.
Denmark have one, publicly owned with ads. Same for Norway but privately owned. But New Zealand with a similar population sizes as the Scandinavian ones has no news channels.

In France, only BFMTV is profitable. It's not as tabloidy as it used to be, and it's brilliant for rolling news and breaking news, but it's nothing like what you'd find on Sky or on the BBC. As they found out when they shifted away from being solely a newswheel, people don't want to watch what they think is just 'boring' news! Though that being said, they get about roughly 2% of total audience share with their daytime rolling news, which I believe is far higher than anything in the UK?

It has a really good slot (channel 15) on the French version of Freeview. AIUI its format is not a million miles away from that of Sky News 15-20 years ago.

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Radio_man - 03-02-2023

(03-02-2023, 04:34 PM)Spencer Wrote:  

(03-02-2023, 03:19 PM)Radio_man Wrote:  The London skyline backdrops do work really well in studio C, but no doubt they were dropped from World when the NC & World started simulcasting much more often from C, because the BBC is terrified of being seen as being 'London centric' when broadcasting news programmes to UK audiences.
(Even though Joe public knows that BBC Network news comes from........ London )

That said though, considering the new sets in Belfast and Nottingham (and presumably the rest of the new regional ones) are based on having skyline backgrounds, it could be something they're moving towards across BBC News.

As for the London centric thing, that may be less of a concern given the new news channel will be primarily geared towards an international audience.

Well no one told BBC Wales this, as their new studio, launched in Sept 2020, has a backdrop of their main newsroom, as with E in NBH.
The nation's and regions of BBC News are never all going to have exactly the same studios and look at the same time.

As for a London skyline as the dominant backdrop for the new BBC News Channel, as much as I'd love to see it and it would look great on-screen in C, I can't see it happening, especially if the eventual plan is for the new channel to move into E once it's had an overhaul.
So no doubt the disjointed, blurry fake newsroom in C will be with us until the autumn.

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RE: harshy - ALV - 03-02-2023

(03-02-2023, 06:13 PM)Newsroom Wrote:  

(03-02-2023, 06:07 PM)harshy Wrote:  It’s used on Asia Business Report not shown on the news channel.

Still makes no sense when Newsday - the bureau's flagship programme doesn't utilise it.

If you noticed, the producers for the relaunched branded shows post-covid have reduced efforts in creating a dynamic style of presentation (e.g utilizing the catwalk, using different camera angles). Most of the relaunched branded shows are just using a single locked on shot of the presenter, with over the shoulder graphics. Heck at least the generic bulletins uses the catwalk and the TV monitors. 

Sometimes it kinda looks cheap... I know budgets have to be cut but I don't think utilizing a couple of more *robotic* camera shots would add a lot of cost???

Example:

Outside Source only uses a locked-on shot of Ros Atkins sitting down from the balcony, with video on the right for narrating a story. At least have a second overhead camera for the closing shot! The use of a single camera shot for the WHOLE 1.5hr just cheapens the contextually rich content of the programme.


The Context mostly uses a locked on shot of Christian Fraser sitting down or a zoomed out shot for the OTS graphics. They don't even do closing shots like the generic bulletins for the outro.


Newsday no longer do stand up presentation. Karishma Vaswani mostly sits down in front of the catwalk or the window. Similar to The Context, it's either a locked-on head shot or a zoomed out shot for the OTS graphics. At least they utilize an overhead camera for intro/outro shots:


On the positive note, there are some advantages of having simple camera setups. Whenever the main studios are out of commision, they can take a picture of the locked on shot without the presenter, and slap the background on some CSO studio (Studio F/G/H) for the presenter to decamp. 

Heck, they could slap the picture of the Newsday locked-on shot and key it up to the NBH CSO studios. Your average viewers most likely won't recognize the show is being presented from Singapore! Example of Martine Croxall in a CSO cupboard (if you don't pay close attention to the lightning and the chroma key outlines you won't even know she's not in Studio C~):

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - DTV - 03-02-2023

To be honest, I prefer over the shoulder graphics to a side screen - looks cleaner and stops the presenter having to sit at an awkward angle. Obviously there are some that aren't great - the Outside Source example above is a bit basic - but the other two are both quite nice and suit the programme's branding. Studio C and E are actually better than most studios for behind the presenter screens, with it not being too distant or at too awkward an angle for the presenter. But there are a few studios where it does look a bit like they are straining to get the presenter and screen in shot at the same time (N6 2003-06 being a particularly bad example).

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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Moz - 03-02-2023

(03-02-2023, 06:37 PM)Radio_man Wrote:  

(03-02-2023, 04:34 PM)Spencer Wrote:  That said though, considering the new sets in Belfast and Nottingham (and presumably the rest of the new regional ones) are based on having skyline backgrounds, it could be something they're moving towards across BBC News.

As for the London centric thing, that may be less of a concern given the new news channel will be primarily geared towards an international audience.

Well no one told BBC Wales this, as their new studio, launched in Sept 2020, has a backdrop of their main newsroom, as with E in NBH.

Wales wouldn’t be able to use a skyline. It’s already derided where I live as being too South Walian. There’s a massive North/South divide in Wales and Cardiff is particularly not liked in North Wales.

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