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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Moz - 20-02-2023
(20-02-2023, 11:18 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:Couldn’t disagree more. I expect suits and ties - which are not dated, they are neutral and generic and don’t deflect from the story.(20-02-2023, 10:45 PM)London Lite Wrote: I don't know where this not formal wear thing has come from? Victoria Valentine for example has always dressed like that for her bulletins on World. Even back to Business Live I don't remember her wearing outfits that look like she's attending a job interview.
Women presenters have had much more scope in outfit choices and style. The men have been stuck in dated suit and tie .
It's crazy how long British TV has had female on screen talent in professional but varied clothing yet the men looking like 1980s insurance salesmen or a suburban letting agents. Entrepreneurs, senior managers, civil servants and political operatives and many more don't dress in traditional formal wear.
Smart casual can look great, and not just on Tomasz the Westherman.
Dress like your audience. Very overdue.
You see a newsreader in a suit and you don’t bat an eyelid. See them without a tie and it deflects from the news.
It’s a well established, levelling, uniform and should stay.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - London Lite - 20-02-2023
The only two bulletins I've seen male presenters dress casually on the BBC are Newsround and The Catch Up which target younger viewers.
If I recall, the early days of News 24 allowed male presenters to not wear ties or a jacket but still wore shirts?
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Kojak - 20-02-2023
(20-02-2023, 11:32 PM)I Moz Wrote:(20-02-2023, 11:18 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote: Women presenters have had much more scope in outfit choices and style. The men have been stuck in dated suit and tie .Couldn’t disagree more. I expect suits and ties - which are not dated, they are neutral and generic and don’t deflect from the story.
It's crazy how long British TV has had female on screen talent in professional but varied clothing yet the men looking like 1980s insurance salesmen or a suburban letting agents. Entrepreneurs, senior managers, civil servants and political operatives and many more don't dress in traditional formal wear.
Smart casual can look great, and not just on Tomasz the Westherman.
Dress like your audience. Very overdue.
You see a newsreader in a suit and you don’t bat an eyelid. See them without a tie and it deflects from the news.
It’s a well established, levelling, uniform and should stay.
Couldn’t disagree more with you tbh. Look, no one here is saying Huw should suddenly turn up in a T-shirt and jeans for the Ten one evening - but certainly for off-peak slots on the news channel, I don’t think it’s absolutely necessary for the newscaster (if they’re male) to wear a full suit and tie. After all, hardly anyone in business wears a suit and tie anymore, unless it’s a really important meeting (speaking from experience).
(20-02-2023, 11:33 PM)London Lite Wrote: The only two bulletins I've seen male presenters dress casually on the BBC are Newsround and The Catch Up which target younger viewers.
If I recall, the early days of News 24 allowed male presenters to not wear ties or a jacket but still wore shirts?
Waistcoats and shirtsleeves were the order of the day on News 24 in 1997. I believe men were still expected to wear ties.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Stockland Hillman - 20-02-2023
(20-02-2023, 11:32 PM)Moz Wrote:So how does the clothing of the Women presenters deflect from the story for you?(20-02-2023, 11:18 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote: Women presenters have had much more scope in outfit choices and style. The men have been stuck in dated suit and tie .Couldn’t disagree more. I expect suits and ties - which are not dated, they are neutral and generic and don’t deflect from the story.
It's crazy how long British TV has had female on screen talent in professional but varied clothing yet the men looking like 1980s insurance salesmen or a suburban letting agents. Entrepreneurs, senior managers, civil servants and political operatives and many more don't dress in traditional formal wear.
Smart casual can look great, and not just on Tomasz the Westherman.
Dress like your audience. Very overdue.
You see a newsreader in a suit and you don’t bat an eyelid. See them without a tie and it deflects from the news.
It’s a well established, levelling, uniform and should stay.
There's a huge variety of styles, colours and patterns on display everyday. Definitely not a uniform there, or is just the men you require specific, limited clothing choices?
Or do the Women not matter so long as they look pretty in a dress, the real news will come from a man in a suit and tie, the classic patriarchal 'uniform'? I'm confused as to whats driving this reaction
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Kojak - 20-02-2023
(20-02-2023, 11:41 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:I think people (particularly here) just don’t like change. Whereas I say bring it on! Anyway I’m sure men will still be wearing suits 8 times out of 10 anyway - just maybe without a tie. And good riddance! Unless you’re standing outside Parliament/the White House or are at a really important and/or solemn event, I don’t think you need one anymore.(20-02-2023, 11:32 PM)Moz Wrote: Couldn’t disagree more. I expect suits and ties - which are not dated, they are neutral and generic and don’t deflect from the story.So how does the clothing of the Women presenters deflect from the story for you?
You see a newsreader in a suit and you don’t bat an eyelid. See them without a tie and it deflects from the news.
It’s a well established, levelling, uniform and should stay.
There's a huge variety of styles, colours and patterns on display everyday. Definitely not a uniform there, or is just the men you require specific, limited clothing choices?
Or do the Women not matter so long as they look pretty in a dress, the real news will come from a man in a suit and tie, the classic patriarchal 'uniform'? I'm confused as to whats driving this reaction
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Stuart - 21-02-2023
I prefer a certain amount of professional clothing for someone presenting the news.
I guess they could install a chaise longue in the revamped Studio E, and the presenter can lie on it wearing a gender neutral onesie. That should tick all the boxes.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Critique - 21-02-2023
(21-02-2023, 12:00 AM)Stuart Wrote: I prefer a certain amount of professional clothing for someone presenting the news.
I guess they could install a chaise longue in the revamped Studio E, and the presenter can lie on it wearing a gender neutral onesie. That should tick all the boxes.
I’m not sure gender neutral onesie is as ridiculous or as uncommon a concept as you think it is…
Either way, nice to see the return of something that’s ‘peak TV Forum’ - one article about presenters dressing down slightly and within two pages everyone’s completely lost the plot!
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Stockland Hillman - 21-02-2023
(21-02-2023, 12:14 AM)Critique Wrote:Not quite Peak meltdown. Nobody's fantasising about tight shirt weather with Tomasz.(21-02-2023, 12:00 AM)Stuart Wrote: I prefer a certain amount of professional clothing for someone presenting the news.
I guess they could install a chaise longue in the revamped Studio E, and the presenter can lie on it wearing a gender neutral onesie. That should tick all the boxes.
I’m not sure gender neutral onesie is as ridiculous or as uncommon a concept as you think it is…
Either way, nice to see the return of something that’s ‘peak TV Forum’ - one article about presenters dressing down slightly and within two pages everyone’s completely lost the plot!
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RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Worzel - 21-02-2023
(20-02-2023, 11:33 PM)London Lite Wrote: The only two bulletins I've seen male presenters dress casually on the BBC are Newsround and The Catch Up which target younger viewers.
If I recall, the early days of News 24 allowed male presenters to not wear ties or a jacket but still wore shirts?
Ros Atkins doesn't wear a tie and the world hasn't ended.
https://youtu.be/UjLlRowXKHM
It looks much better and if the channel is going to look less 'corporate' and 'stuffy' then it's definitely a good move!
Besides, expecting men to wear a full suit and allowing women to dress smart-casual is actually a sexist attitude to a uniform policy which, thankfully, a lot of businesses are moving away from. Imagine the uproar if female presenters were ordered to wear certain clothing and male presenters were not. No different the other way round.
RE: BBC News Channel/BBC World News Merger - Jimbo2022 - 21-02-2023
I think BBC world is still the same as it is now in 6 march but not sure.