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RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - bbctvtechop - 19-10-2022
(19-10-2022, 03:11 PM)steve Wrote: Apologies for bringing this thread back to the top, but I thought this was worth sharing:
https://twitter.com/Burdett/status/1582673110951636992?s=20&t=lbIdu2siYd9lZfxnJp2mDQ
I think this is fascinating for a number of reasons - but also given the speculation about when the media found out, the fact that Deborah Turness and Tim Davie were both in the gallery at 6.30pm clearly indicates they had at least a few minutes warning.
I'll never understand why the entire structure of management feel they have to be in the gallery for moments like this. It is completely distracting to the operators, undermines the authority of the producer and director, creates unnecessary stress, and why not book a meeting room with a large screen? Not to mention this breaks all of the covid-secure rules (set by the very same people ignoring them!) regarding maximum number of bodies in the gallery to protect operationally critical staff.
It's madness.
RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - Jon - 19-10-2022
(19-10-2022, 04:03 PM)aaron_scotland Wrote:The point is they knew, even if they hadn’t had confirmation.(19-10-2022, 03:24 PM)Jon Wrote: They had several hours warning, they just didn’t know when they’d have to break the news.
I really wish this would stop coming up, they did not have several hours... They had about 5-10 minutes, And I mean for the actual death announcement.
Sure you could see what was coming for a bit but no one knew 100% in the media until 5-10 minutes before.
RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - cityprod - 19-10-2022
(19-10-2022, 06:04 PM)Jon Wrote:"Knew" is very subjective. They didn't "know" for certain until a few minutes before we did. Yes, most of us who had any knowledge or experience of old people dying could see this coming a mile away, but that's not the same thing as knowing for certain. There was still a sliver of doubt about this. We know from the death certificate the Queen didn't actually pass away until 3.10pm, so it was impossible to have several hours warning. Liz Truss was not told until 4.30pm. The community radio station I volunteer at didn't have any prior information before the official announcement was made. We had to respond to the situation literally as it was announced. The BBC didn't have much more prioir knowledge than we did.(19-10-2022, 04:03 PM)aaron_scotland Wrote:The point is they knew, even if they hadn’t had confirmation.(19-10-2022, 03:24 PM)Jon Wrote: They had several hours warning, they just didn’t know when they’d have to break the news.
I really wish this would stop coming up, they did not have several hours... They had about 5-10 minutes, And I mean for the actual death announcement.
Sure you could see what was coming for a bit but no one knew 100% in the media until 5-10 minutes before.
RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - UTVLifer - 19-10-2022
Thought I'd share with anyone else who might be interested that the special music used by the BBC for their funeral coverage and other special programmes during that period (most notably the montage to end the funeral coverage) is being released on Friday as a charity single
https://twitter.com/silvascreen/status/1580909642519310336?s=61&t=jkvQKBwVPti7seL4AfcDoA
RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - Newsroom - 19-10-2022
(19-10-2022, 04:20 PM)bbctvtechop Wrote:Why is it madness? There will never be a 'moment like this' The Covid restrictions came to an end months prior to the Queen's death. Tim Davie is the DG, Deborah Turner's is the CEO of News so why shouldn't they be in the gallery. The BBC were delivering the most important news of our lives, theirs too. Not madness at all.(19-10-2022, 03:11 PM)steve Wrote: Apologies for bringing this thread back to the top, but I thought this was worth sharing:
https://twitter.com/Burdett/status/1582673110951636992?s=20&t=lbIdu2siYd9lZfxnJp2mDQ
I think this is fascinating for a number of reasons - but also given the speculation about when the media found out, the fact that Deborah Turness and Tim Davie were both in the gallery at 6.30pm clearly indicates they had at least a few minutes warning.
I'll never understand why the entire structure of management feel they have to be in the gallery for moments like this. It is completely distracting to the operators, undermines the authority of the producer and director, creates unnecessary stress, and why not book a meeting room with a large screen? Not to mention this breaks all of the covid-secure rules (set by the very same people ignoring them!) regarding maximum number of bodies in the gallery to protect operationally critical staff.
It's madness.
RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - London Lite - 19-10-2022
Despite having top brass in, it shouldn't be a surprise that the gallery team were as professional as ever doing their jobs.
Have you ever been at work and senior management turn up and guess what? You just carry on your job!
RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - James2001 - 19-10-2022
(19-10-2022, 04:13 PM)aaron_scotland Wrote: What surprises me most about that BBC clip is the amount of people in the gallery, that seems almost a distractingly high amount so good job by the staff there to keep focused.
They clearly had enough advance warning to get cameras in there to film what was going on. Admittedly they'd only have needed a few minutes for that.
RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - Newsroom - 19-10-2022
(19-10-2022, 07:46 PM)James2001 Wrote:(19-10-2022, 04:13 PM)aaron_scotland Wrote: What surprises me most about that BBC clip is the amount of people in the gallery, that seems almost a distractingly high amount so good job by the staff there to keep focused.
They clearly had enough advance warning to get cameras in there to film what was going on.
Yes, someone popped in from the Newsroom, just outside the gallery. There really is NOTHING to see here.
RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - bbctvtechop - 19-10-2022
(19-10-2022, 07:19 PM)Newsroom Wrote:Agree that this is probably the biggest "moment like this" but I can assure you over many years of experience that this happens all the time. New programme launches especially. As a sound op I find it so rude and distracting. The constant opening and closing of the doors, the general chit chat amongst managers, the "helpful" chipping in resulting in the producer and director (and therefore crew) not having their usual chain of command. I have made mistakes as a direct result of this, as have my colleagues, and I've witnessed more than one programme launch crash and burn because of the "too many cooks, especially cooks who don't know what they're doing" effect.(19-10-2022, 04:20 PM)bbctvtechop Wrote: I'll never understand why the entire structure of management feel they have to be in the gallery for moments like this. It is completely distracting to the operators, undermines the authority of the producer and director, creates unnecessary stress, and why not book a meeting room with a large screen? Not to mention this breaks all of the covid-secure rules (set by the very same people ignoring them!) regarding maximum number of bodies in the gallery to protect operationally critical staff.Why is it madness? There will never be a 'moment like this' The Covid restrictions came to an end months prior to the Queen's death. Tim Davie is the DG, Deborah Turner's is the CEO of News so why shouldn't they be in the gallery. The BBC were delivering the most important news of our lives, theirs too. Not madness at all.
It's madness.
If I and my colleagues walked into a senior management meeting and sat at the back with our laptops, whispering amongst ourselves and occasionally chipping in with ideas, I would rightly be told where to go. I don't know why it's not the same discipline and respect the other way around. And that's putting aside the fact that they don't *need* to be in an operational, highly stressful gallery/studio environment to witness these things anyway - if they want to see the programme, watch the programme on a big screen in a meeting room.
Can you tell this makes me angry?!
RE: HM Queen Elizabeth Dies & Funeral Coverage - Newsroom - 19-10-2022
(19-10-2022, 08:07 PM)bbctvtechop Wrote:I can, but I think you need to calm down (said with sincere politeness). Chris Cook was at the helm of the bridge and so I'm sure everyone was in the very best of hands. The team had been running all afternoon and the news could have broken at any moment. I'm sure both Davie, Turness, Munro and other management were on the newsroom floor.(19-10-2022, 07:19 PM)Newsroom Wrote:Agree that this is probably the biggest "moment like this" but I can assure you over many years of experience that this happens all the time. New programme launches especially. As a sound op I find it so rude and distracting. The constant opening and closing of the doors, the general chit chat amongst managers, the "helpful" chipping in resulting in the producer and director (and therefore crew) not having their usual chain of command. I have made mistakes as a direct result of this, as have my colleagues, and I've witnessed more than one programme launch crash and burn because of the "too many cooks, especially cooks who don't know what they're doing" effect.(19-10-2022, 04:20 PM)bbctvtechop Wrote: I'll never understand why the entire structure of management feel they have to be in the gallery for moments like this. It is completely distracting to the operators, undermines the authority of the producer and director, creates unnecessary stress, and why not book a meeting room with a large screen? Not to mention this breaks all of the covid-secure rules (set by the very same people ignoring them!) regarding maximum number of bodies in the gallery to protect operationally critical staff.Why is it madness? There will never be a 'moment like this' The Covid restrictions came to an end months prior to the Queen's death. Tim Davie is the DG, Deborah Turner's is the CEO of News so why shouldn't they be in the gallery. The BBC were delivering the most important news of our lives, theirs too. Not madness at all.
It's madness.
If I and my colleagues walked into a senior management meeting and sat at the back with our laptops, whispering amongst ourselves and occasionally chipping in with ideas, I would rightly be told where to go. I don't know why it's not the same discipline and respect the other way around. And that's putting aside the fact that they don't *need* to be in an operational, highly stressful gallery/studio environment to witness these things anyway - if they want to see the programme, watch the programme on a big screen in a meeting room.
Can you tell this makes me angry?!
If I were management at the BBC, I'd want that moment captured.