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RE: BBC One Nightlight - interestednovice - 23-10-2023
(23-10-2023, 07:37 AM)Jimbo2022 Wrote: Transmission on 10.803H started on 8 March 2023. 22.422H went off on 14 March but 10.803H was in service from 8 March We will see what happensThe 8th of January would, interestingly, be exactly on the monthly anniversary from when they presumably started paying for the space.
Maybe everything will be gone then?
RE: BBC One Nightlight - Jimbo2022 - 23-10-2023
(23-10-2023, 02:08 PM)interestednovice Wrote: The 8th of January would, interestingly, be exactly on the monthly anniversary from when they presumably started paying for the space.
Maybe everything will be gone then?
Not sure will check. But the origin as l nightlight mux first appeared in 5 Jan 2023.
RE: BBC One Nightlight - Jimbo2022 - 23-10-2023
(23-10-2023, 02:56 PM)Jimbo2022 Wrote: Not sure will check. But the origin as l nightlight mux first appeared in 5 Jan 2023.
Earliest date I can find do far 7 August 2003.
But there was a change to lineup on 6 Feb 2014
So maybe 10 years so cevtgen. Still trying to find earlier info.
RE: BBC One Nightlight - interestednovice - 23-10-2023
(23-10-2023, 03:19 PM)Jimbo2022 Wrote: Earliest date I can find do far 7 August 2003.I thought the now-Nightlight transponder was (originally) used for extra BBC Red Button feeds, quite sporadically and on a short term basis, for a few weeks every summer only?
But there was a change to lineup on 6 Feb 2014
So maybe 10 years so cevtgen. Still trying to find earlier info.
That started as far back as the 2012 Olympics, I think.
The rest of the year, I think the space was usually used for Sky Box Office - but I might be misremembering and the assumption always was that they had a separate deal with Astra.
RE: BBC One Nightlight - Jimbo2022 - 23-10-2023
Earliest evidence of BBC itself on satellite at 28 east is 13 May 1998 on 11720H. 11798H was slightly later
https://web.archive.org/web/19980515230747/http://satcodx.com/astra1d.shtml
RE: BBC One Nightlight - Jimbo2022 - 23-10-2023
(23-10-2023, 03:34 PM)interestednovice Wrote: I thought the now-Nightlight transponder was (originally) used for extra BBC Red Button feeds, quite sporadically and on a short term basis, for a few weeks every summer only?Partly right.
That started as far back as the 2012 Olympics, I think.
The rest of the year, I think the space was usually used for Sky Box Office - but I might be misremembering and the assumption always was that they had a separate deal with Astra.
Not 1242#H. That mux was indeed used for Wimbledon each year but only more recently, then for nightlight. When everything else went hd, that mux moved to 10703H, which was why regions on that mux originally were last to transfer to HD.
For the Olympics, there were 58 feeds - 24xSD and 24xHD.
20 Sky Box Office channels closed temporarily during the summer if 3012, which returned in late September. So r did not come back on air
The capacity of Sky Box Office was lent to the BBC for the Olympics (and go C4 for Paralympics).
Think they hX 6xHX on 4 muxes. SBO had 5 channels per mux. So 30 closures SD for 24 HD. The non SBO channels moved to other frequencies during the Olympics
RE: BBC One Nightlight - interestednovice - 23-10-2023
(23-10-2023, 04:13 PM)Jimbo2022 Wrote: Partly right.That explains it, sorry for mixing up the details!
Not 1242#H. That mux was indeed used for Wimbledon each year but only more recently, then for nightlight. When everything else went hd, that mux moved to 10703H, which was why regions on that mux originally were last to transfer to HD.
For the Olympics, there were 58 feeds - 24xSD and 24xHD.
20 Sky Box Office channels closed temporarily during the summer if 3012, which returned in late September. So r did not come back on air
The capacity of Sky Box Office was lent to the BBC for the Olympics (and go C4 for Paralympics).
Think they hX 6xHX on 4 muxes. SBO had 5 channels per mux. So 30 closures SD for 24 HD. The non SBO channels moved to other frequencies during the Olympics
RE: BBC One Nightlight - Spencer - 23-10-2023
(22-10-2023, 07:13 PM)interestednovice Wrote: Interesting that they refer to a “channel closed” message appearing for a short time beyond the deadline.
It sounds like they have, indeed, come to agreements with Sky and Freesat to leave the channels on the EPG for a short extra time to finally hammer things home to SD viewers before the feeds are switched off entirely.
Just a thought, but I wonder if Sky’s rules might be slightly different for LCNs 101–105, given by law they’re reserved for the PSBs, so there can’t be issues over EPG squatting.
I also wonder if, once the stream is turned off, there might be a message on 101 generated by Sky boxes explaining BBC One’s absence, rather like the old ‘Press TV then 3 for ITV’ message in the early days of Sky Digital.
RE: BBC One Nightlight - Jimbo2022 - 23-10-2023
(23-10-2023, 06:09 PM)Spencer Wrote: Just a thought, but I wonder if Sky’s rules might be slightly different for LCNs 101–105, given by law they’re reserved for the PSBs, so there can’t be issues over EPG squatting.
I also wonder if, once the stream is turned off, there might be a message on 101 generated by Sky boxes explaining BBC One’s absence, rather like the old ‘Press TV then 3 for ITV’ message in the early days of Sky Digital.
No as it has to appear in Freesat too. So it is still likely to be MPEG2 judging by what BBC said last week in the blog post update of 13 October.
For info btw
Olympics was 4xHD muxes 6 channels each in SD muxes normally carrying Sky Box Officex5 per mux at the time.
30 SD closure became 24 HD feeds.
For SD I think it was 8 channels on 3 SD muxes, where existing channels were moved around.
During the 2002 winter Olympics BBC had 3 region feeds on 12285V for 3 weeks only. 5 SD red button channels were used for Olympics, the rest for BBC regions from 1745-1900 only.
RE: BBC One Nightlight - i.h - 23-10-2023
(23-10-2023, 06:09 PM)Spencer Wrote: I also wonder if, once the stream is turned off, there might be a message on 101 generated by Sky boxes explaining BBC One’s absence, rather like the old ‘Press TV then 3 for ITV’ message in the early days of Sky Digital.
I believe that ITV one was hard coded into the software. I can't imagine they have the means or the appetite to make any updates to those boxes now.
I suppose they could either keep the transponder DVB-S for while longer (with the capacity loss) and maintain a static video stream with that message, or see if Sky would be willing to do it on one of theirs (after all, it might trigger some people to finally upgrade to Q...)