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RE: BBC One Nightlight - Stooky Bill - 04-01-2024

(04-01-2024, 04:43 PM)i.h Wrote:  Looks like the last contract was signed in 2021 so unless it had clauses to allow the BBC to hand them back, it seems they've got it for a bit longer.

Where did you get that information from?

The transponders are all of varying ages and so will be under different contracts with different terms and different expiry dates and clauses.

They'll have had a choice of which one to give up and a lot of that consideration will be down to contracts and cost.

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RE: BBC One Nightlight - i.h - 05-01-2024

(04-01-2024, 11:59 PM)Stooky Bill Wrote:  Where did you get that information from?

The transponders are all of varying ages and so will be under different contracts with different terms and different expiry dates and clauses.

They'll have had a choice of which one to give up and a lot of that consideration will be down to contracts and cost.

er... SES themselves?

https://www.ses.com/press-release/european-public-broadcasters-sign-multi-year-capacity-contracts-sess-prime-tv 

Quote:Luxembourg, 22 February 2021 — SES announced today that it has signed multi-year capacity agreements totaling over EUR 66 million in backlog with multiple public broadcasters in Europe throughout 2020, enabling millions of satellite TV households across Europe to continue watching SD and HD content delivered with world-class reliability.

The public broadcasters who have signed contracts directly with SES include ARD and ZDF in Germany, BBC in the UK, BVN in the Netherlands, as well as TV5Monde and France 24 from France via its partner Globecast, strengthening SES’s position as the world’s leading global content connectivity provider.

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The latest agreements signed between public broadcasters and SES illustrate how European broadcasters are leveraging SES’s satellites at the prime orbital slots of 19.2 degrees East and 28.2 degrees East to reach more than 89 million satellite TV homes, surpassing other satellite or terrestrial operators.

I'm sure you have about as much first hand knowledge as I do in regards to the BBC's commercial agreements and what the details are - ie not much - but SES seemed pretty pleased with the outcome. "to continue" implies renewal of existing agreements.

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RE: BBC One Nightlight - Stooky Bill - 05-01-2024

That doesn't say which or how many transponders they signed up for in 2021, just that in that year the BBC were one of the many broadcasters they leased space to.

It'll be whichever ones were due to expire around that time, whichever they are. They were taken on over time as the BBC increased their satellite requirements so will all expire at different times. They haven't kept the same transponders since 1998, some have been changed and given up over the years

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RE: BBC One Nightlight - Jimbo2022 - 08-01-2024

Loop was put in all 9 SD feeds at 1055.

https://us.v-cdn.net/6028689/uploads/editor/nt/9xtfaovswf3l.png 

The logo at the top is snomated and an audio described loop plays out every 87 seconds

https://us.v-cdn.net/6028689/uploads/editor/nt/9xtfaovswf3l.png 

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RE: BBC One Nightlight - callumwatchestelly - 08-01-2024

(08-01-2024, 12:31 PM)Jimbo2022 Wrote:  Loop was put in all 9 SD feeds at 1055.

https://us.v-cdn.net/6028689/uploads/editor/nt/9xtfaovswf3l.png 

The logo at the top is snomated and an audio described loop plays out every 87 seconds

https://us.v-cdn.net/6028689/uploads/editor/nt/9xtfaovswf3l.png 

Thought it was a shame how it wasn't like the analogue switchoff when the continuity announcer said goodbye to viewers that were watching on analogue. This would've been nice to see especially on One and Two.

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RE: BBC One Nightlight - Kunst - 09-01-2024

(08-01-2024, 10:39 PM)callumwatchestelly Wrote:  Thought it was a shame how it wasn't like the analogue switchoff when the continuity announcer said goodbye to viewers that were watching on analogue. This would've been nice to see especially on One and Two.

For how many people though?

if there was a huge audience, yes: but for satellite only SD viewers? Quite a niche

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RE: BBC One Nightlight - Brekkie - 09-01-2024

It's all been done with very little fuss. I think Freeview would be a bigger deal but not quite the issue some thing it is - probably more people who have the HD channels but watch in SD than don't have the HD channels at all.

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RE: BBC One Nightlight - Jimbo2022 - 09-01-2024

(08-01-2024, 10:39 PM)callumwatchestelly Wrote:  Thought it was a shame how it wasn't like the analogue switchoff when the continuity announcer said goodbye to viewers that were watching on analogue. This would've been nice to see especially on One and Two.

The difference with analogue switch off was that at that point there was two separate playouts fir both main channels

One announcer on digital and one on analogue At least it was like that fir a while

On 405 line VHF television the playout was different even if there was one continuity announcer back then. On UHF you had a 1 kHz tone but on VHF you had a tone around 480 Hz I think so the output could be split.

The bbc1 nightlight was a downscaled BBC1 HD with split links and overlays.

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RE: BBC One Nightlight - Spencer - 09-01-2024

One issue I’ve noticed is that, for some reason, the Sky Go app still defaults to having SD channel’s occupying 101 to 105 unless you’re connected to the same wifi network as your Sky Q box.

So if you’re away from home, you still get the Nightlight channels at 101 and 102, even if you’re an HD subscriber. I presume, unless Sky sort it out, they’ll disappear entirely soon.

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RE: BBC One Nightlight - Stooky Bill - 09-01-2024

(09-01-2024, 01:30 AM)Jimbo2022 Wrote:  The difference with analogue switch off was that at that point there was two separate playouts fir both main channels

One announcer on digital and one on analogue At least it was like that fir a while

On 405 line VHF television the playout was different even if there was one continuity announcer back then. On UHF you had a 1 kHz tone but on VHF you had a tone around 480 Hz I think so the output could be split.

The bbc1 nightlight was a downscaled BBC1 HD with split links and overlays.

It could have been done, after all they put a red caption out for local news. But I can see why it wasn't, it's not as big a thing as analogue.

The issue I think they will have is that there wasn't any notification of the closure on any channel other than BBC1. I wonder if there are any SD viewers, or organisations who use the SD versions of the other channels and haven't changed. Is there a service station somewhere showing the caption rather than the News Channel in their food court? :-D

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