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RE: GB News - Stockland Hillman - 12-12-2023

(12-12-2023, 12:43 AM)freeview87 Wrote:  GMB doesn't tout itself as a news channel, as GB News do. They also had the news ticker scrolling during the competition which I thought wasn't allowed when it comes to news and competitions.

Britain's News Channel is a marketing slogan, not a Ofcom licence category. I'm sure you don't always feel good listening to Heart, Maybe there's not more of the songs you love on Magic. Slogans, nothing more.

On screen graphics don't necessarily form part of regulated news content so no issues necessarily with that.

Ofcom rules have been the same ish for nearly a quater century, so when ITV did premium rate contests within its PSB Regulated regional news content, it was under the same regime as GB News now.

As I've said many times, in Ofcom terms, the GB News content is very similar to GMB on ITV, with multiple content categories flowing within one programme, with 'separation' achieved by use of bumpers, different presenters, script signals.

I keep saying this, but there is no such thing as an Ofcom licensed news channel in the Uk. Even Sky News is a general entertainment service that chooses to run regulated news content to a high proportion that'll GBN, but rarely is Sky News entirely an hour of regulated news - that's why it can have sport, weather and business news sponsors - despite sponsorship of News programming being prohibited.

GBNEWS Want premium rate revenue? Nothing legally to stop them, however premium rate regulation for all TV and Radio is very tough these days so I hope their compliance officer is up to speed on it.

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RE: GB News - freeview87 - 12-12-2023

(12-12-2023, 01:10 AM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  Britain's News Channel is a marketing slogan, not a Ofcom licence category. I'm sure you don't always feel good listening to Heart, Maybe there's not more of the songs you love on Magic. Slogans, nothing more.

On screen graphics don't necessarily form part of regulated news content so no issues necessarily with that.

Ofcom rules have been the same ish for nearly a quater century, so when ITV did premium rate contests within its PSB Regulated regional news content, it was under the same regime as GB News now.

As I've said many times, in Ofcom terms, the GB News content is very similar to GMB on ITV, with multiple content categories flowing within one programme, with 'separation' achieved by use of bumpers, different presenters, script signals.

I keep saying this, but there is no such thing as an Ofcom licensed news channel in the Uk. Even Sky News is a general entertainment service that chooses to run regulated news content to a high proportion that'll GBN, but rarely is Sky News entirely an hour of regulated news - that's why it can have sport, weather and business news sponsors - despite sponsorship of News programming being prohibited.

GBNEWS Want premium rate revenue? Nothing legally to stop them, however premium rate regulation for all TV and Radio is very tough these days so I hope their compliance officer is up to speed on it.

Well they do news, consider themselves and operate as a news channel. News channel may not be an Ofcom category but news and current affairs are heavily regulated as you know, hence why Ofcom are continuing to look at them and their output. No one is saying you can't do just news, its just if you position yourself as a news channel expect to be challenged and have to adhere to the regulations regarding that.

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RE: GB News - Jon - 12-12-2023

(11-12-2023, 10:14 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  Cheapens the output? Like ITVs flagship morning topical news talk show Good Morning Britain, who currently have this

https://www.itv.com/win/competitions/34090/we-have-an-amazing-christmas-selection-for-you-100000-cash-a-campervan-a-mini-and-a-selection-of-gadgets 

I’m aware that Good Morning Britain has competitions but I’m not judging it against that in this case. One of the reasons it’s not questioned on GMB is that the slot has legacy of being less newsy. But I agree in practice it’s the same.

It’s just very jarring on something that purports to be a news channel. In the same way Peston running a viewer competition would be.

I think it would be probably be better if they ran the competition during the commercial break slots and separated it entirely from programmes. But then they risk less people seeing it and bringing in as many entries.

Talking of cheapening the output, on Sunday (and I’m not sure if it was the case before) they ran a QR code inviting people to vote for Farage in the jungle and yesterday they had a Countdown timer for those awaiting his return.

Anyway, the new set didn’t launch yesterday evening after all.

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RE: GB News - Matrix - 12-12-2023

Set wise, we've gone from an Ikea showroom to a Wickes double discount kitchen, repurposed. It's ok but hardly going to set the world alight and looks fairly static in the sense that it's a series of prop walls, screens, and a fairly chunky desk. Regional News from the mid 90s, anyone?

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RE: GB News - Spencer - 12-12-2023

I think I've found where they got their inspiration.

https://up.metropol247.co.uk/Spencer%20For%20Hire/Screenshot%202023-12-12%20at%2017_42_02.jpg 
https://up.metropol247.co.uk/Spencer%20For%20Hire/Medium_75024_1_S1_Ep1_Late%20Night%20Lycett%20Ep1-3%202.jpg 

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RE: GB News - i.h - 13-12-2023

(12-12-2023, 01:10 AM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  Britain's News Channel is a marketing slogan, not a Ofcom licence category. I'm sure you don't always feel good listening to Heart, Maybe there's not more of the songs you love on Magic. Slogans, nothing more.

But there is a "news" licencing category and that's the one GB News has been pigeonholed into:

http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/html/tv/cs/tlcs103139ba3gbnews.htm 

http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/html/tv/cs/dtps103140ba3gbnews.htm 

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RE: GB News - Stockland Hillman - 13-12-2023

(13-12-2023, 11:47 AM)i.h Wrote:  But there is a "news" licencing category and that's the one GB News has been pigeonholed into:

http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/html/tv/cs/tlcs103139ba3gbnews.htm 

http://static.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/html/tv/cs/dtps103140ba3gbnews.htm 

That's a self declared content type, loosely the EPG category the channel falls within.

There us no such thing as a news channel in licence type, which is DTPS or TLCS . OFCOMS guidance noted say:

Ofcom recognises three types of service which can be provided under a DTPS or DTAS
licence:
• Editorial;
• Teleshopping; and
• Self-promotional.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your-licence/tv-broadcast-licences/apply-for-a-tv-broadcast-licence 

As you can see, no such legal thing as a "news channel"

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RE: GB News - strollfan - 13-12-2023

If there's no such thing as a news channel according to Ofcom, and GB News call themselves a news channel and they classify themselves as news, why are we having an argument about whether they are news?

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RE: GB News - Scrotnig - 13-12-2023

(13-12-2023, 03:09 PM)strollfan Wrote:  If there's no such thing as a news channel according to Ofcom, and GB News call themselves a news channel and they classify themselves as news, why are we having an argument about whether they are news?

The argument isn’t about that.

It comes about because people see someone GB News that they don’t like, usually saying it’s not what a “news channel” should be doing, and then go on to suggest OFCOM ought to be looking at it for that reason. In this most recent discussion it’s because of phone in competitions. And the point is, there is no legal situation whereby a “news channel” cannot run phone in competitions, (outside of actual regulated news content), because there is no legal status of “news channel”.

One could certainly argue that a phone in competition isn’t something one would like to see on a news channel, but that in itself is not an OFCOM matter.

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RE: GB News - Stockland Hillman - 13-12-2023

(13-12-2023, 03:09 PM)strollfan Wrote:  If there's no such thing as a news channel according to Ofcom, and GB News call themselves a news channel and they classify themselves as news, why are we having an argument about whether they are news?

Indeed. "NEWS" in regulatory terms is a distinct programme block, usually as part of PSB licence obligation. It isn't any content that's topical/current affairs or events, hence ITV GMB can treat news events as content within its general entertainment parts, it can hold topical interviews with opinionated presenters on current events and then report on those events in a part that's regulated as News.

How many people realise that when the little Sport or Weather animation appears on the news, that news content and rules have ended and what they are watching is entertainment with different rules? It's a mad situation.

Ofcoms problem is that lots of targeted complaints are made against GBNews by political activists, but things like Rees Mogg doing "news" because a story broke is a very tricky area. Regulation has to be consistent and repeatable, to rule against GBN for that issue makes life tricky for all live TV and radio shows.

GBN is effectively an all day Good Morning Britain/ Jeremy Vine/Loose Women, with hourly news bulletins. It's LBC on TV with a heavy right bias that's countered by guests. Unlike LBC that's a mainly soft left, with heavily left James OB countered by right-wing guests

Left/right definitions increasingly irrelevant to describe sides of viewpoints, however.

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