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RE: GB News - Scratch_Perry - 10-02-2023
(10-02-2023, 06:04 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote: I'm far from pro or anti GB News or any UK broadcaster. We have judicial style evidence based regulation that stops Fox/msnbc extremes; but I will follow the logic of an argument and compare it to other evidence.The BBC News Channel still has Click; not least because the programme is made from the Technology Unit based in Glasgow, which was part of the BBC's plan to move various departments/divisions within their news set-up outside London (hence Rory Cellan-Jones' departure last year).
The channel is called GB News, not all shows are News. BBC NEWS Channel used to have Click, film reviews, dateline - none of which meet the definition of News. Sky used to have The Climate Show, Sportline,The Pledge, None of which would be classed as news by Ofcom (hence sport is sponsored!)
Ofcom have determined its not an issue so its bizarre there is any argument.
RE: GB News - Kojak - 10-02-2023
BBC World used to show (at least in some places) Top Gear around the turn of the century. And there used to be CNBC-e in Turkey, which was, well, CNBC by day and essentially Sky One by night. But anyway this isn’t a ‘let’s list TV channels thread’. My point is that channel names are essentially meaningless, which is why most are broad enough to accommodate most types of programming. (Unless it’s a kids channel, in which case there are strict rules on showing non-children’s content - which is why we have never had Nick at Nite in the UK).
RE: GB News - derek500 - 11-02-2023
(10-02-2023, 06:48 PM)London Lite Wrote: I don't have an issue with someone in a presenter only role giving an opinion. It's what Wootton does on GBN and Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk TV. It's a role that is separate that really doesn't involve an impartial element as they're preaching to the converted when they're interviewing news makers.
It's those roles that Harwood and Utley have which clouds over whether they're providing their audience factual impartial reporting or their own personal opinion on top of it.
There are clearly roles at GBN such as the bulletin readers and those reporters in the field who are providing impartial reporting without giving an opinion, but do those roles where for example Olivia will be a guest on an opinion show where she's then in the role of giving her personal opinion about a story she's covered than actually stating facts.
But surely there's the same problem with the likes of Rigby and Peston? There's no doubt from reading their Twitter and website opinion pieces where they stand politically. Why would you believe their reporting is factual and impartial without personal bias?
RE: GB News - all new phil - 11-02-2023
(11-02-2023, 12:33 PM)derek500 Wrote:(10-02-2023, 06:48 PM)London Lite Wrote: I don't have an issue with someone in a presenter only role giving an opinion. It's what Wootton does on GBN and Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk TV. It's a role that is separate that really doesn't involve an impartial element as they're preaching to the converted when they're interviewing news makers.
It's those roles that Harwood and Utley have which clouds over whether they're providing their audience factual impartial reporting or their own personal opinion on top of it.
There are clearly roles at GBN such as the bulletin readers and those reporters in the field who are providing impartial reporting without giving an opinion, but do those roles where for example Olivia will be a guest on an opinion show where she's then in the role of giving her personal opinion about a story she's covered than actually stating facts.
But surely there's the same problem with the likes of Rigby and Peston? There's no doubt from reading their Twitter and website opinion pieces where they stand politically. Why would you believe their reporting is factual and impartial without personal bias?
I have no idea what Rigby and Peston’s politics are.
RE: GB News - Kojak - 11-02-2023
(11-02-2023, 12:33 PM)derek500 Wrote:No there isn't, Derek. You're just that far gone that you find any unbiased reporting or analysis biased, because it doesn't match your biases. Many other forumers have tried to point this out to you, on here, at the blue place and the purple place.(10-02-2023, 06:48 PM)London Lite Wrote: I don't have an issue with someone in a presenter only role giving an opinion. It's what Wootton does on GBN and Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk TV. It's a role that is separate that really doesn't involve an impartial element as they're preaching to the converted when they're interviewing news makers.
It's those roles that Harwood and Utley have which clouds over whether they're providing their audience factual impartial reporting or their own personal opinion on top of it.
There are clearly roles at GBN such as the bulletin readers and those reporters in the field who are providing impartial reporting without giving an opinion, but do those roles where for example Olivia will be a guest on an opinion show where she's then in the role of giving her personal opinion about a story she's covered than actually stating facts.
But surely there's the same problem with the likes of Rigby and Peston? There's no doubt from reading their Twitter and website opinion pieces where they stand politically. Why would you believe their reporting is factual and impartial without personal bias?
RE: GB News - London Lite - 11-02-2023
The big difference between a previous poster saying that Charlene White, an impartial journalist presenting Loose Women and the two GB News journalists is that the roles on ITV News and Loose are completely different.
You don't hear Charlene on ITV News giving her opinion on a news story during that programme, while Olivia will one minute provide factual information and then her opinion afterwards. That's where the the issue of her role blurs.
Even opinion led LBC has figured out that if you have a political correspondent on with Nick Ferrari, they state the facts they've gathered as a journalist and that's it.
By all means hire journalists, but use them on-air as journalists or talking heads, but not both.
RE: GB News - matthieu1221 - 11-02-2023
CNEWS in France has hosts which don't give their opinion, because firstly, they are bound by regulations meaning that they can't, and second, who really cares what the hosts' opinion is?
If your host is better off giving an opinion, by all means, have them on as a regular panelist, but not as a host. It makes for a better program when there's a separation between who's hosting and who's giving their opinion.
CNEWS is regularly bashed for having a very skewed set of guests (and the air-time per political party percentage by the equivalent of OFCOM there confirms that), and their choice of topics is very skewed, but at the end of the day, it generally is okay because there's always someone on the helm on air who can more or less fairly moderate the debates on set.
RE: GB News - Stockland Hillman - 11-02-2023
(11-02-2023, 01:50 PM)London Lite Wrote: The big difference between a previous poster saying that Charlene White, an impartial journalist presenting Loose Women and the two GB News journalists is that the roles on ITV News and Loose are completely different.
You don't hear Charlene on ITV News giving her opinion on a news story during that programme, while Olivia will one minute provide factual information and then her opinion afterwards. That's where the the issue of her role blurs.
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By all means hire journalists, but use them on-air as journalists or talking heads, but not both.
Once again, nobody doing news programing as defined by Ofcom is giving opinions in the same news programing.
Outside of the ToH NEWS bulletins GB News content is entertainment, not NEWS according to Ofcom
Mixing news and opinion happens all the time at ITV GMB, more so when Piers was there. Every guest and reporter taking part in discussions before or after a Piers rant or interviewed by him as a starting point for an opinion segment is doing so as part of an ENTERTAINMENT show.
Piers Morgan is a journalist, and would do what anyone would consider journalistic content on news topics, particularly on major news days. He'd deliver the script with news material in and do news interviews, then pivot to opinion pieces or vice versa.
All the shows on GB News are the same as GMB from a regulatory perspective - ENTERTAINMENT with integrated (but demarcated) News bulletins. If anything, GB News is better separated on air than ITV GMB
RE: GB News - London Lite - 11-02-2023
(11-02-2023, 03:15 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:(11-02-2023, 01:50 PM)London Lite Wrote: The big difference between a previous poster saying that Charlene White, an impartial journalist presenting Loose Women and the two GB News journalists is that the roles on ITV News and Loose are completely different.
You don't hear Charlene on ITV News giving her opinion on a news story during that programme, while Olivia will one minute provide factual information and then her opinion afterwards. That's where the the issue of her role blurs.
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By all means hire journalists, but use them on-air as journalists or talking heads, but not both.
Once again, nobody doing news programing as defined by Ofcom is giving opinions in the same news programing.
Outside of the ToH NEWS bulletins GB News content is entertainment, not NEWS according to Ofcom
Mixing news and opinion happens all the time at ITV GMB, more so when Piers was there. Every guest and reporter taking part in discussions before or after a Piers rant or interviewed by him as a starting point for an opinion segment is doing so as part of an ENTERTAINMENT show.
Piers Morgan is a journalist, and would do what anyone would consider journalistic content on news topics, particularly on major news days. He'd deliver the script with news material in and do news interviews, then pivot to opinion pieces or vice versa.
All the shows on GB News are the same as GMB from a regulatory perspective - ENTERTAINMENT with integrated (but demarcated) News bulletins. If anything, GB News is better separated on air than ITV GMB
In that case, brand the channel as something else. Talk TV makes it clear it's a topical led speech channel. The roles of the impartial journalists such as Kate McCann are clear, while the talking heads are exactly that.
Good Morning Britain again is clear about what it is, it's a tabloid skewed current affairs programme, same for This Morning. GB News hasn't ever made it clear that it's an entertainment channel which bar the Andrew Doyle show is a diet of skewed topical debate on a wheel of topics designed to wind up their target audience with tick box impartial news bulletins which weren't there at launch.
I don't think it's a problem to raise the fact that two of GBN's on-air talent have newsy roles and yet use their role to be talking heads
RE: GB News - James - 11-02-2023
(11-02-2023, 01:50 PM)London Lite Wrote: You don't hear Charlene on ITV News giving her opinion on a news story during that programme, while Olivia will one minute provide factual information and then her opinion afterwards. That's where the the issue of her role blurs.This is no different to GMB in the Piers era. The show would start with a highly opinionated Piers rant, often lasting up to 10 minutes, with the background sometimes absolutely plastered in ITV News branding. Immediately after the rant was over, he would read the day's top news story in an impartial manner with Susanna.
It's strange how the monologues and opinion content on GB News is so highly criticised on this forum, when GMB were doing very similar just a few years ago. I wasn't a fan of Piers on GMB towards the end, but this style of content worked well for the programme in terms of ratings, and received far less criticism than GB News.