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RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - Mike - 24-11-2023
(24-11-2023, 02:41 PM)RhysJR Wrote: Is BBC Wales the only nation/region to have a BSL round-up of the week's headlines near the end of Friday's lunchtime bulletin? Never seen any mention of it elsewhere around places like this or when travelling.
BBC Midlands ran a signed bulletin at 1525 or on BBC Two from the mid/late 1990s until 2010. When the 1525 bulletin was shelved as was the signing, for a short while this was done online only then BID (who provided the interpreters free of charge) pulled out. This was each weekday.
Central ran Central Newsweek which was as you describe Wales doing, with the highlights for that week's headlines and news with a signer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Q1FO_QZrI
I never knew why this one was uploaded to YouTube, but this continued until whenever the 1525 BBC One bulletin was sacked off.
RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - lookoutwales - 24-11-2023
(24-11-2023, 08:04 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote: Perhaps it's time to make it part of BBC Cymru Wales with a seperate editorial only advisory board for S4C, at least it will have better systems and structures in place for the operation of the organisation. Not ideal, but it can't continue as it has
I wouldn't be too surprised if along the line, there's at least stronger ties with the Beeb - something that's reared its head in the past - though as you say, it would be hardly ideal.
The Media Bill going through Parliament proposes at least a review of the long-standing commitment of 10 hours a week of output that BBC Cymru provides each week to S4C (something the indie companies will be watching carefully) rather than any further structural changes for the moment.
Programming wise, I find myself seldom watching it apart for sport (usually Sgorio's domestic coverage) and maybe the odd live event - its entertainment output in particular feels like it's stuck in a rut (Proseict Pum Mil or Ffit Cymru, anyone?) and the emergence of a Welsh version of 'Gogglebox' ('Gogglebocs') seemed quite desperate.
Hopefully some kind of shake-up will follow following the Chief Content Officer's own sacking last month over misconduct allegations.
(24-11-2023, 08:30 PM)Critique Wrote: In recent years it’s appeared to me that ITV Wales don’t get the credit they perhaps deserve when it comes to local output, producing a level of output very similar to UTV (and from the looks of it, frequently more than STV manage in a given week) but without the same level of attention.
The only other STV local show I'm aware of is What's On Scotland - and that's currently on a break from its 7pm slot on Fridays. ITV Wales' equivalent, Backstage, has also been popping up in the same slot here.
But you're right - STV appear hard pressed to do anything beyond the required quota once four Scotland Tonight shows a week are counted for.
ITV Border are doing a similar thing in their Scottish sub-region with Representing Border three times a week although they also usually fit in a feature show, too - interesting to note ITV take a more local approach compared to STV's national outlook.
ITV Wales has been in quite a strong position for the past few years - it has a decent stable of returning non-news shows (Coast and Country, in particular), usually with a topical slant, and has been growing its network footprint through both in-house and indie commissions.
On top of that, there's a strong current affairs department producing two regular shows for S4C and they still have a hand in one of the longest-running shows in the channel (Cefn Gwlad)
If there's one area they could improve on, it would probably be sport - they shied away from doing their own coverage of the Rugby World Cup, and arguably, the return of EFL rights was a missed opportunity to bring back a Wales-only highlights show.
Chances are we'll never likely see ITV Wales dipping their toes back into drama and entertainment programming like they used to - though drama was often quite sparing apart from Nuts & Bolts, and entertainment usually consisted of the odd music show and Barry Welsh is Coming (mind you, even UTV managed to produce a stand-up comedy show in the last year)
But overall, yes, local output on ITV is in a fairly healthy state at the moment, even if you have to look just a little harder to find it.
(24-11-2023, 10:58 PM)Mike Wrote: BBC Midlands ran a signed bulletin at 1525 or on BBC Two from the mid/late 1990s until 2010. When the 1525 bulletin was shelved as was the signing, for a short while this was done online only then BID (who provided the interpreters free of charge) pulled out. This was each weekday.
The history of the signed Midlands bulletin stretches even further back - an example with David Stevens from 1985.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTQ7sZZyOgw
RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - Brekkie - 25-11-2023
(24-11-2023, 08:30 PM)Critique Wrote: In recent years it’s appeared to me that ITV Wales don’t get the credit they perhaps deserve when it comes to local output, producing a level of output very similar to UTV (and from the looks of it, frequently more than STV manage in a given week) but without the same level of attention.
Looking at a typical week in Wales of late and you’ve got a mix of local politics, a local Panorama/Tonight-type programme, a local features series and a local arts and culture show. The mix is slightly different in Northern Ireland but isn’t too dissimilar, whilst in Scotland this week’s local output appears to be limited to two hours of local politics and nowt else - STV don’t even appear to have opted out of the second half hour of tonight’s ITV Evening News when both Wales and Northern Ireland did so for local programming.
I think they still produce a bit for S4C too, though probably not as much as they once did. Y Byd ar Bedwar has been their flagship Welsh production for years.
I think ITV Wales benefit from not having tried to cover their local hours just by increasing news and when you look at what they do produce they do a pretty decent job, but suffer from having to jump around the network schedules, made even more difficult by the changes to the soap schedules - and then things like I'm a Celeb running beyond the hour hit the later slot too. The audience is clearly there for it though, just as it would still be there for some content in the English regions if ITV hadn't convinced OFCOM in the noughties that digital TV would mean viewers suddenly lost interest in regional content.
ITV would probably gloat more if they were independent but I suspect also that should they ever look to buy STV (which doesn't seem to be on the cards) by keeping Wales strong they can convince regulators that Scottish viewers would not be negatively impacted by them taking over from STV.
It is a shame though, but far from a new issue, that on ITV especially (though increasingly on the BBC too) that content from the nations is generally limited to current affairs and factual - there isn't the opportunity to do some comedy, drama or entertainment geared towards a more local audience.
RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - lookoutwales - 25-11-2023
Sian Doyle issued a statement on X earlier tonight.
https://twitter.com/SianiDoyle/status/1728160453954589108/photo/1
RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - Omnipresent - 25-11-2023
I grew up in Wales and am saddened to see S4C in turmoil.
There are obvious political sensitivities but with the BBC required to pay around £89m a year in funding to S4C from the licence fee and the huge financial pressure the corporation is under, there would be massive savings in overheads if the operations of BBC Wales and S4C were consolidated.
RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - lookoutwales - 30-11-2023
Doyle issued another statement today - this time aimed at the DCMS, calling for a UK Government inquiry.
She doesn’t hold back, either.
https://x.com/sianidoyle/status/1730231546508902512?s=46&t=SVvb3TMVq7XsaTLBJxqOLA
Newyddion reported during the week that staff and former staff were glad to see the back of her.
One thing’s for sure - it’s becoming very public and getting fairly ugly too.
RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - Brekkie - 30-11-2023
Feels though like when personal vendettas are being put above the interests of the channel the channel is better off without them. Does sound like due proces wasn't followed though - in employment law even if the grounds for dismissal are fair if due process isn't followed they will find in the employees favour.
The involvement of the DCMS won't do anybody any favours, though feels like a conversation about S4C moving forward will be required soon, especially if there is a return to direct funding should Labour look to increase BBC funding by removing tge additional costs imposed on them in recent years.
RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - lookoutwales - 01-12-2023
Another issue that's been brought up in Doyle's DCMS letter (she also done an interview with WalesOnline which has just been published - a case of not just burning your bridges, but napalming them)
The question of the role of the 'Big Five' indie companies - Tinopolis (owners of Sunset & Vine), Cwmni Da, Afanti, Boom (owned by ITV) and Rondo - and how much they contribute to S4C's output, which Doyle was seemingly looking to reduce.
IIRC, HTV was originally required to provide seven hours a week when S4C launched - as well as providing sales and playout for ads - but towards the end of the franchise period, that quota was virtually removed, opening up for more indie commissions.
The mid-late 2000s saw a general consolidation of the indie sector - and around that time, S4C was putting elements of its service - and programme commissions - out to tender (i.e. children's Pres went to Boom, while Tinopolis produced the weather)
Not surprisingly, Doyle's comments on supposedly 'breaking the status quo' have attracted more ire. Newyddion also reported tonight on calls by, among others, Maggie Brown (the author of two books about Channel 4) to allow the BBC to take control of the channel.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67594321
RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - Brekkie - 02-12-2023
Presumably if the BBC were to take over it would become fully licence fee funded and advertising would have to be removed. Whilst there are obvious Scottish counterparts it seems foolish in this day and age to switch from a commercial hybrid model to a fully funded model. Indeed it could be argued it's links with the BBC actually hold it back in some respects - as much as having content on the iPlayer reaches a wider audience the fact they have to stream without ads means revenue must be lost as a result.
Hopefully this issue will pass and sooner rather than later people who put the channel above their own vendettas will take it forward.
RE: BBC/ITV Wales/S4C News - MajesticBass - 02-12-2023
(02-12-2023, 01:00 AM)Brekkie Wrote: Presumably if the BBC were to take over it would become fully licence fee funded and advertising would have to be removed.
In the latest accounts (p105), advertising only brought in £1.3m, so it wouldn't be an insurmountable problem.
https://adroddiad.s4c.cymru/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/S4C_Annual-Report_Account_2022_23_E-1.pdf