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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - lhx1985 - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 02:16 PM)dvboy Wrote:  I've noticed the BBC's live sports pages don't have the names of the reporters at the top of them today.

Using Press Assoc copy or protecting staffers who have no choice but to put in a shift?

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - matthieu1221 - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 02:05 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  

(11-03-2023, 01:31 PM)matthieu1221 Wrote:  (Responding to the last paragraph)

Oh dear, we're now calling for a review to punish the entire Sports team are we?

Fact is, EVERY SINGLE PART of what BBC does could be done by the open market. Just that the BBC can in theory do it without external interference which a commercial channel may not be able to for various reasons. Unfortunately the government hasn't taken it upon itself to in effect interfere with the BBC leading to all this.

It's childish to view things through the lens of punishment or reward.

You misunderstood the point.  Making programmes on anything is fine, it's straw man argument to say anything is available in market.

Sport mentioned  have specific macro economics. Generally it's a ticket and goods sale business, and a performance for which rights are sold. There a plenty of buyers for these rights and benefits for choosing  certain bidders for rights (game marketing etc) choose a paywall and interest in your sport can decline - cricket springs to mind.

The content generated by sports coverage isn't particularly unique,  and the underlying rights to the material aren't the broadcasters. So what does the BBC bring that's unique?  Nothing for the major sports.  It plays a far more important role with minor sports and developing leagues such as woman's football.

Nearly everything else the BBC does - except online news - adds something unique to the content or adds to the BBC (Strictly may be a generic talent show but the rights bring cash to the BBC)

For Football,  this whole debacle reveals a department and talent with out of control ego and expectations. 

The leval of manipulation by vested interests is staggering in this situation. As is the hypocrisy. 

Where was Lineker, Chappel et al when  Marine Croxall was taken off air for breaching impartiality rules?

Yet we are to belive Lineker is some kind of hero to the lower rank BBC staff? Give me a break

It most certainly seemed like you were bringing it up very coincidentally when much of the Sports team is up in arms over how Lineker is being treated so do forgive us if it seems to us that you'd like to water down their role because it looks like you aren't happy with them.

"The leval of manipulation by vested interests is staggering in this situation. As is the hypocrisy. "
Yes, as many posters have pointed out throughout this thread, but very likely in the opposite direction to what you are insinuating.

"Where was Lineker, Chappel et al when  Marine Croxall was taken off air for breaching impartiality rules?"
A nice red herring argument right here. I think this was previously covered in the thread in which posters argued that as Lineker wasn't in news nor current affairs and thus wasn't going to present the news, nor interview Braverman any time soon it wasn't a particular issue. Martine Croxall on the other hand (unless something has changed that we are all unaware of) works in the news department. Her ability to do her job impartially would be at risk if she went on a tirade about the Asylum Plan. Would Lineker's ability to do his job by commenting on something completely irrelevant and which won't be covered on BBC Sports be compromised?

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - dvboy - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 02:07 PM)dvboy Wrote:  5 Live still airing podcasts.
I assume the 6 Nations commentary that was due to be on Sports Extra at 13:30 will get moved to 5 Live.
There is due to be tennis commentary from Indian Wells on the website from 19:00. That would fill the gap left by 6-0-6.

BBC Radio 5 Sports Extra is taking BBC Radio Wales commentary of Italy vs Wales in the 6 Nations - edit: this is as planned,

More podcasts on BBC Radio 5 Live.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Stockland Hillman - 11-03-2023

Do most media organisations have social media rules for ALL public facing performers and workers? Yes

Do the rules cover just the specialist area they work in? No

Do the rules usually cover matters of offence? Yes

Did Gary Lineker know the expectation was he would follow the BBC rules. Yes

Did he? No

So the BBC then took him off air until agreement could be reached on the rules. Is this the toughest action is could take? No, termination of contract would have been

Can you reasonably allow a live broadcaster on air where they've expressed doubt as to the rules of the organisation apply to them?

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Newshound47 - 11-03-2023

https://twitter.com/tvukzone/status/1634550306007666689?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet 
MOTD2 tomorrow now being affected.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - matthieu1221 - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 02:36 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  Do most media organisations have social media rules for ALL public facing performers and workers?  Yes

Do the rules cover just the specialist area they work in? No

Do the rules usually cover matters of offence?  Yes

Did Gary Lineker know the expectation was he would follow the BBC rules.  Yes

Did he? No

So the BBC then took him off air until agreement could be reached on the rules.  Is this the toughest action is could take?  No, termination of contract would have been

Can you reasonably allow a live broadcaster on air where they've expressed doubt as to the rules of the organisation apply to them?

Why is it then that the rules don't apply to everybody?

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Stockland Hillman - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 02:44 PM)matthieu1221 Wrote:  

(11-03-2023, 02:36 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  Do most media organisations have social media rules for ALL public facing performers and workers?  Yes

Do the rules cover just the specialist area they work in? No

Do the rules usually cover matters of offence?  Yes

Did Gary Lineker know the expectation was he would follow the BBC rules.  Yes

Did he? No

So the BBC then took him off air until agreement could be reached on the rules.  Is this the toughest action is could take?  No, termination of contract would have been

Can you reasonably allow a live broadcaster on air where they've expressed doubt as to the rules of the organisation apply to them?

Why is it then that the rules don't apply to everybody?

What live , regular presenter do they not apply to? Example?

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - TIGHazard - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 02:46 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  

(11-03-2023, 02:44 PM)matthieu1221 Wrote:  Why is it then that the rules don't apply to everybody?

What live , regular presenter do they not apply to? Example?

They certainly didn't apply to Andrew Neil

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Will - 11-03-2023

https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2023-03-11/bbc-weatherman-lineker-thinks-hes-so-different-from-rest-of-us

Bizarre and unprofessional comment from Hudson here. Surely openly criticising one of your colleagues on Twitter is more of a breach of impartiality guidelines than what Lineker is accused of.

Not that his point makes any sense anyway, there's a difference between featuring on a news programme and being an ex-footballer presenting a sports programme that has nothing to do with current affairs.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Kojak - 11-03-2023

What's Paul Hudson doing wading in to all of this anyway? Anyone would think he's just looking for a bit of relevance. Shall we ask what Peter Levy thinks about it, too?!

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