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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Frances - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 04:18 PM)oscillon Wrote:  BBC says the row has gone international: Sportsworld on World Service is not on air.

Quote:BBC World Service's sports coverage hit

Earlier, we reported on BBC radio station 5 Live suspending its football coverage.

This has also impacted the BBC World Service English-language radio broadcasting, which has a global audience.

Sportsworld was scheduled for almost four hours - from 14:06 to 18:00 GMT - but it's currently not on air.

Indeed, for 1400 GMT hour they had History Hour instead of Sportsworld. 1500 GMT hour carries The Real Story.
Apologies about limited sports coverage in the wake of the Lineker raw were at :04:50 out in a 6-minutes long 1500 GMT bulletin.

Normally Sportsworld joins 5 Live or 5 Sports Extra for football coverage so it will be affected.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - agentsquash - 11-03-2023

You wonder if there will be anyone left in Salford tonight apart from North West Tonight!

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Spencer - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 04:18 PM)oscillon Wrote:  BBC says the row has gone worldwide: Sportsworld on World Service is not on air.

Quote:BBC World Service's sports coverage hit

Earlier, we reported on BBC radio station 5 Live suspending its football coverage.

This has also impacted the BBC World Service English-language radio broadcasting, which has a global audience.

Sportsworld was scheduled for almost four hours - from 14:06 to 18:00 GMT - but it's currently not on air.

Indeed, for 1400 GMT hour they had History Hour instead of Sportsworld. 1500 GMT hour carries The Real Story.
Apologies about limited sports coverage in the wake of the Lineker raw were at :04:50 out in a 6-minutes long 1500 GMT bulletin.

On the up side, at least the reporting on the conjoined news channel will now have some relevance outside the UK. Every cloud…

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Adsales - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 02:36 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  Do most media organisations have social media rules for ALL public facing performers and workers?  Yes

Do the rules cover just the specialist area they work in? No

Do the rules usually cover matters of offence?  Yes

Did Gary Lineker know the expectation was he would follow the BBC rules.  Yes

Did he? No

So the BBC then took him off air until agreement could be reached on the rules.  Is this the toughest action is could take?  No, termination of contract would have been

Can you reasonably allow a live broadcaster on air where they've expressed doubt as to the rules of the organisation apply to them?

That is all incorrect I’m afraid. A freelancer, i.e. a person who provides services to a broadcaster, be that as a sole trader or via a limited company, can only ever be under the control of the client whilst providing those services. In this case while on air or providing other services for which he is being paid.

Anything else by default pushes the freelancer into IR-35, which the BBC in Lineker’s case has argued he isn’t. 

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - cando - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 04:20 PM)UTVLifer Wrote:  It's incredibly clear nobody had war-gamed for what would happen, with the BBC management once again proving that they are completely and utterly incompetent when it comes to crisis management

Not really hun

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Ste - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 03:52 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  This what I mean when I say there's a highly manipulated agenda here.

Labour commentator  Dan Hodges is bang on here

Daily Mail writer Dan Hodges is definitely not someone who is Labour supporting!

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - UTVLifer - 11-03-2023

https://twitter.com/diogenes1/status/1634570658448392195?s=46&t=uYc2nILLUU7TByduAbmbxg 

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Stuart - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 04:41 PM)Adsales Wrote:  That is all incorrect I’m afraid. A freelancer, i.e. a person who provides services to a broadcaster, be that as a sole trader or via a limited company, can only ever be under the control of the client whilst providing those services. In this case while on air or providing other services for which he is being paid.

Anything else by default pushes the freelancer into IR-35, which the BBC in Lineker’s case has argued he isn’t. 

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Now he's got no cake, so problem solved.

Getting back to the issue of Pres, I see MOTD is still listed for this evening on the EPG, so perhaps they will just carry a PL produced programme.

This may be a good move for the future.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Worzel - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 04:47 PM)Stuart Wrote:  

(11-03-2023, 04:41 PM)Adsales Wrote:  That is all incorrect I’m afraid. A freelancer, i.e. a person who provides services to a broadcaster, be that as a sole trader or via a limited company, can only ever be under the control of the client whilst providing those services. In this case while on air or providing other services for which he is being paid.

Anything else by default pushes the freelancer into IR-35, which the BBC in Lineker’s case has argued he isn’t. 

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Now he's got no cake, so problem solved.

Getting back to the issue of Pres, I see MOTD is still listed for this evening on the EPG, so perhaps they will just carry a PL produced programme.

This may be a good move for the future.

They can't use PLP on MOTD, was reported a few pages back.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Stockland Hillman - 11-03-2023

(11-03-2023, 04:41 PM)Adsales Wrote:  

(11-03-2023, 02:36 PM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  Do most media organisations have social media rules for ALL public facing performers and workers?  Yes

Do the rules cover just the specialist area they work in? No

Do the rules usually cover matters of offence?  Yes

Did Gary Lineker know the expectation was he would follow the BBC rules.  Yes

Did he? No

So the BBC then took him off air until agreement could be reached on the rules.  Is this the toughest action is could take?  No, termination of contract would have been

Can you reasonably allow a live broadcaster on air where they've expressed doubt as to the rules of the organisation apply to them?

That is all incorrect I’m afraid. A freelancer, i.e. a person who provides services to a broadcaster, be that as a sole trader or via a limited company, can only ever be under the control of the client whilst providing those services. In this case while on air or providing other services for which he is being paid.

Anything else by default pushes the freelancer into IR-35, which the BBC in Lineker’s case has argued he isn’t. 

You cannot have your cake and eat it.

Wrong, I'm afraid in every respect 

Companies and suppliers usually have contracts which cover all issues of conduct where the conduct may affect the position or reputation of the contracting party. 

It's a basic tenet of business,  used widely where outsourcing or franchising takes place to protect the master organisations reputation.  They also cover post engagement behavior

In law it's actually easier to control a contractor than a staffer

Lineker could easily be required to conduct reputational issues in a similar way to staff but not BE staff.

When shows are commissioned from independents, the rules of the broadcaster are passed down through the contract.

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