Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Printable Version

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - sjhoward - 12-03-2023

(12-03-2023, 07:50 PM)James Wrote:  This is not the case for Neil Oliver and Alan Sugar - they are appearing on documentary/entertainment programming. Nobody hears those two names and immediately thinks 'BBC'.

For what it’s worth, if you scroll back to post #90, someone in this very thread thinks that re Alan Sugar.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Jon - 12-03-2023

(12-03-2023, 07:57 PM)DavidWhitfield Wrote:  

(12-03-2023, 07:39 PM)Alf Stewart Wrote:  In fairness some of your posts have given your high horse vertigo even it didn't know what your opinion on the situation was or what point you were trying to make. So in all seriousness thank you for spelling it out clearly.

I'm sure everyone welcomes a different take and different opinions but there's really no need to be so aggressive.

I always strive to remain polite on here even when I completely disagree with others' points of view so I'm disappointed to note you feel I have been aggressive. That really is never the intention and I am sorry if anything I've said has come across as such.

I often come on here and see a lot of hubbub about an issue and I think 'wait a minute, take a step back - is it really that serious? - is it really like that? - will the average viewer really perceive it in that way?'

I think the majority of people (here) don’t think the initial Tweet was that serious and those at the top of corporation have made a much bigger issue out of it, hence, it’s resulted in some of the most important weekend programming being affected. Something that won’t have just affected the BBC’s relationship with its audience but with that of sporting bodies it has contacts with. 

Had they just put out a statement, saying that Lineker’s views are his own and is entitled to air his personal opinion on other platforms it would have died down by the start of the week, at least until the next time the powerful tabloid press decide he’s stepped over the line.

In terms of what viewers think I imagine the majority of viewers don’t care what Lineker’s opinion is either way on political issues. To be honest if aggregators in the right wing press hadn’t put a target on his back the vast majority of viewers wouldn’t have been exposed to his Tweet. If how the viewers think is important in this situation, many of them may not realise Neil Oliver is no longer making Coast for the BBC, so may have seen his monologues on GB News and be surprised that he’s still allowed to be a face of the corporation. 

But the other thing about public perception is, people should be seen to be treated fairly. I don’t think anyone thinks had he remained at the BBC this would have happened to Andrew Neil and Lord Sugar has made similar or arguably worse comparisons to Lineker about UK politicians in past Tweets with no press campaigns get him ‘cancelled’. 

You’re not the only one who can look at this critically and objectively so don’t just assume everyone who disagrees with you hasn’t done the same yet come to different conclusions. Because that’s how some of your posts come across.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - matthieu1221 - 12-03-2023

(12-03-2023, 07:50 PM)James Wrote:  It's also an apple to pears comparison to be comparing Gary Lineker to the likes of Neil Oliver and Alan Sugar, in my view. The nature of their roles are very different.

Gary Lineker is a prominent BBC face, presenting MOTD and live football coverage on the BBC. He is representing the brand.

This is not the case for Neil Oliver and Alan Sugar - they are appearing on documentary/entertainment programming. Nobody hears those two names and immediately thinks 'BBC'. And most people watching 'Coast' this afternoon probably don't even have a clue that Neil now works on GBN.

That being said, I think that Gary should be able to express his views on social media as he presents sports coverage, not news. However, if the BBC are paying him £1.3m per year, then I don't think it would be unreasonable for them to impose restrictions on his social media usage if they wished to do so, providing it was explicitly stated in his contract.

Drawing a line on who is representing the BBC as a brand and who merely presents programs on them will likely get them into more trouble. Why they don't just stick to the news/everything else line which is already hinted in their social media use guidelines is beyond me.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - TMD_24 - 12-03-2023

Slightly less optimistic description despite progress from BBC News.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64930957?at_link_type=web_link&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_id=2FB9B182-C114-11ED-BEBF-9E533AE5AB7B&at_format=link&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_medium=social&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_origin=BBCBreaking&at_ptr_name=twitter 

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Jon - 12-03-2023

(12-03-2023, 07:50 PM)James Wrote:  That being said, I think that Gary should be able to express his views on social media as he presents sports coverage, not news. However, if the BBC are paying him £1.3m per year, then I don't think it would be unreasonable for them to impose restrictions on his social media usage if they wished to do so, providing it was explicitly stated in his contract.

If it was in his contract then fair enough, but the fee he earns is a different issue. 

Andrew Neil was basically a major face of the BBCs political coverage (and likely would still be if not for GB News). So to suggest it’s less appropriate for Lineker to give political views online is absurd. And I appreciate we’re dealing with hypotheticals here as Andrew Neil is not at the BBC at the present time. 

Bottom line is the BBC have handled it badly in a way that appears unfair and in the process has brought more attention to the Lineker situation and annoyed a lot of viewers by not giving them their regular sports output.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Admin PC - 12-03-2023

There've been some less than respectful exchanges over the last few hours in this thread.  I'd suggest those concerned take a break from posting.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - DeMarkay - 12-03-2023

Despite a few less than pleasant exchanges, I’ve throughly enjoyed writing and viewing this thread.

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Humphrey Hacker - 12-03-2023

I wonder how Motty would have handled this?

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - JayCasey - 12-03-2023

I agree with the last few posts. We are all here to see how this story plays out, not vent our personal views.

There is DigitalSpy forums for that!!

Let’s please stick on the topic from now on!

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RE: Gary Lineker/BBC Asylum Controversy - Andrew - 12-03-2023

BBC News sending a push that a ‘deal is close’ - I bet they didn’t send as many notifications about the Brexit deal or Northern Ireland!

How many alerts will we get tomorrow, place your bets now!

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