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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - interestednovice - 21-03-2023

(21-03-2023, 08:43 PM)Brekkie Wrote:  

(19-03-2023, 11:07 PM)Allanbuzzy Wrote:  BBC Switch was arguably an interesting experiment to try and target the inbetween demographic of CBBC and BBC Three, with both of them being heavily promoted on BBC Switch.

I'm more surprised that the 12-16 slots of BBC Three aren't so much branded as such (nor are they really presented as the zone for that audience, with little bits of "The Next Step" here and there, plus a new show that's produced by BBC Studios Kids & Family but shifted to BBC Three instead of CBBC).

There could be an argument that should the closure of CBBC go ahead that BBC3 should go 24/7 with a CBBC slot within the day (but not all day) and a teen slot in the early evening, but I guess with BBC4 in the firing line the plan is to lose one stream and have CBeebies and BBC3 share one stream.

Saving one stream is exactly the reason, as it means a reduction in distribution and playout costs.

They could always merge BBC Alba and BBC Scotland in to one stream - since BBC Scotland simply simulcasts BBC Two all day and only broadcasts in the evening, how about a proper closedown and Alba could air during the day?

That would also save one stream and impact far fewer viewers, but what do I know? They could also merge the two channels and broadcast programmes, as far as possible, with dual audio tracks. That way, unlike a closedown, they could be more flexible with timings. Again, it would save a stream.

If they were really desperate, BBC Two could become an evening-only service as BBC Three and Four already are - it just simulcasts the BBC News Channel and repeats old BBC One daytime fare already anyway, so why not?

The BBC is really bad at underserving certain audiences and super-serving others. Children deserve some linear outlet.

BBC Four is also, by the way, very cheap to run considering the value of “just switch it on” linear TV to the viewer - especially the elderly viewer who is more likely to enjoy BBC Four. Closing it would be another mistake.

They could even save on some distribution costs by removing the “stream” of BBC Red Button and just having ad-hoc online video coverage hosted through iPlayer instead. Perhaps even have the stream but iPlayer-exclusive. Again, a distribution saving without needing to close a proper channel.

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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - CCFG - 21-03-2023

While I do agree with this statement, the reason CBBC is closing down in the first place is Children aren't going to the linear outlet.

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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - Roger Darthwell - 21-03-2023

(21-03-2023, 10:08 PM)CCFG Wrote:  While I do agree with this statement, the reason CBBC is closing down in the first place is Children aren't going to the linear outlet.

This was the exact same reason why BBC Three closed down in the first place, and we all know what happened, this strategy of online only will not work, it's been proven that it doesn't work

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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - Allanbuzzy - 21-03-2023

The future is definitely FAST, and the BBC should already know this by now. Pluto TV in America already offers a dedicated Nickelodeon feed that basically operates akin to it's traditional cable offering, but for free.

Presuming ITVX Kids will have a plethora of FAST channels dedicated to certain CITV staples (definitely a Mr Bean channel, alongside most likely a Scooby Doo channel), the BBC should at least offer a linear outlet akin to those formats. It's proven it's cost-effective, doesn't require that much playout and can just as easily run 24/7.

Hell, had the concept of FAST come mainstream earlier by 2016, many would argue BBC Three could've worked in that similar way, not requiring the transmission nor distribution costs to operate.

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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - interestednovice - 22-03-2023

(21-03-2023, 10:40 PM)Roger Darthwell Wrote:  

(21-03-2023, 10:08 PM)CCFG Wrote:  While I do agree with this statement, the reason CBBC is closing down in the first place is Children aren't going to the linear outlet.

This was the exact same reason why BBC Three closed down in the first place, and we all know what happened, this strategy of online only will not work, it's been proven that it doesn't work

I agree, there should still be a “shop window” available.

FAST channels are the future, I agree, but we are not there yet either as reliable high-speed broadband is not universal and FAST channels do not integrate well (in many cases) with TVs.

I would also not want to see a future where a child in a poorer household is more poorly served by the BBC than a wealthy one. This is effectively what putting CBBC on iPlayer only would do.

Many older people (a quarter of 75+) also have no access to the internet at all, so to deprive them of BBC Four is also unfair. This will, additionally, be seen as a double-whammy hit because of the end of universal free TV licenses for the elderly.

The BBC is making mistakes with this strategy.

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(21-03-2023, 10:58 PM)Allanbuzzy Wrote:  had the concept of FAST come mainstream earlier by 2016, many would argue BBC Three could've worked in that similar way, not requiring the transmission nor distribution costs to operate.

To be honest, when the announcement was first made this is what I was envisaging. I don’t think we had the word FAST back then though!

All the language was around how “BBC Three is moving online” when really it’s programmes were simply dumped on iPlayer, there was a token attempt to promote them through a few pages on social media, and that was it.

Hardly an “online service” at all.

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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - Roger Darthwell - 22-03-2023

(22-03-2023, 12:05 AM)interestednovice Wrote:  

(21-03-2023, 10:40 PM)Roger Darthwell Wrote:  This was the exact same reason why BBC Three closed down in the first place, and we all know what happened, this strategy of online only will not work, it's been proven that it doesn't work

I agree, there should still be a “shop window” available.

FAST channels are the future, I agree, but we are not there yet either as reliable high-speed broadband is not universal and FAST channels do not integrate well (in many cases) with TVs.

I would also not want to see a future where a child in a poorer household is more poorly served by the BBC than a wealthy one. This is effectively what putting CBBC on iPlayer only would do.

Many older people (a quarter of 75+) also have no access to the internet at all, so to deprive them of BBC Four is also unfair. This will, additionally, be seen as a double-whammy hit because of the end of universal free TV licenses for the elderly.

The BBC is making mistakes with this strategy.

Exactly, and it pains me to see that they did not learn their lesson with BBC Three......

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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - MFTJA - 23-03-2023

(22-03-2023, 12:05 AM)interestednovice Wrote:  Many older people (a quarter of 75+) also have no access to the internet at all, so to deprive them of BBC Four is also unfair. This will, additionally, be seen as a double-whammy hit because of the end of universal free TV licenses for the elderly.

I'd be quite confident that the majority of over 75s that don't use the internet also don't use most of the channels available to them on linear TV. Many older people find it the nature of navigating digital TV very complicated and stick to what they know (BBC1, 2, ITV1, C4, and to an extent C5). I don't think that BBC Four would be a staple for most of them. The 'traditional' channels already show content that they enjoy anyway.

To be blunt, most of them will have died in the next 10-15 years by which stage people in their late 50s/early 60s today will be in that 'over 75s' age group. They are fairly knowledgeable in the online world and will be perfectly fine navigating online to watch a TV channel if they so desire. Moving BBC Four online seems like one of the best options for the Beeb to save money as it doesn't carry any great programming anymore nor does it attract that many viewers.

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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - Roger Darthwell - 23-03-2023

(23-03-2023, 06:54 PM)MFTJA Wrote:  Moving BBC Four online seems like one of the best options for the Beeb to save money as it doesn't have any great programming anymore and doesn't get that many viewers.

I am honestly getting déjà vu reading these words......

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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - WillPS - 23-03-2023

(21-03-2023, 10:40 PM)Roger Darthwell Wrote:  

(21-03-2023, 10:08 PM)CCFG Wrote:  While I do agree with this statement, the reason CBBC is closing down in the first place is Children aren't going to the linear outlet.

This was the exact same reason why BBC Three closed down in the first place, and we all know what happened, this strategy of online only will not work, it's been proven that it doesn't work

I'm not sure there's much evidence BBC Three's linear channel revival has been a success is there? That being the case why should we read in to it that cutting back linear output would be a mistake?

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RE: New CBBC/CBeebies Presentation - Neil Jones - 23-03-2023

(23-03-2023, 06:54 PM)MFTJA Wrote:  

(22-03-2023, 12:05 AM)interestednovice Wrote:  Many older people (a quarter of 75+) also have no access to the internet at all, so to deprive them of BBC Four is also unfair. This will, additionally, be seen as a double-whammy hit because of the end of universal free TV licenses for the elderly.

I'd be quite confident that the majority of over 75s that don't use the internet also don't use most of the channels available to them on linear TV. Many older people find it the nature of navigating digital TV very complicated and stick to what they know (BBC1, 2, ITV1, C4, and to an extent C5). I don't think that BBC Four would be a staple for most of them. The 'traditional' channels already show content that they enjoy anyway.

Indeed, my late grandmother (never used said internet) had access to all the channels on Freeview, and never ever went past ITV. Don't think she ever saw anything on Channel 4. never mind channels higher on the EPG.. The content consumed was usually on BBC One, ITV(1) or occasionally BBC Two (she liked watching Dad's Army). If any other channel had come on it was usually by accident.

But anyway you don't miss what you don't have (or don't use).

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