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RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - Brekkie - 22-06-2023
For the ITN Nostalgia thread perhaps but never really clicked before that outside primetime and most days the morning schedule a newsflash would likely be interrupting different shows, and of course cutting into 15 stations feed rather than just 1.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - JAS84 - 22-06-2023
Yeah, though by 1997 a number of them had joined forces due to common ownership. Wouldn't all of the Granada regions (Granada, Yorkshire, Tyne Tees and LWT) have been airing the same thing, likewise Central and Westcountry which were both owned by Carlton, and Anglia, HTV, and Meridian which were owned by United News and Media?
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - tellyblues - 25-06-2023
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/22803004/itv-axe-huge-singing-competition-starstruck/
Not entirely unexpected but how does The Voice get away with not being axed when it does nothing?
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - Score - 25-06-2023
Not surprised about Starstruck. The second series did quite a bit worse than the first and it wasn’t retaining enough of Saturday Night Takeaway’s audience.
Re The Voice, just checked and the last series of that averaged 3.5m after 7 days (TV only), so a bit more than this year’s Starstruck (2.9m). The Voice also did that in a far harder slot with Strictly overlaps and having to self start, whereas Starstruck got a Takeaway lead-in and no notable competition from BBC1.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - tellyblues - 25-06-2023
The Voice had a better average but only because it started high (after a barren few months of Bond films on Saturday nights) and also benefited from a few weeks of itself having no competition. When Strictly came along, it tanked.
Starstruck was down on its first series and there were problems with the format that contributed towards that but I'm not sure if its replacement is going to achieve any better retention from SNT.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - Score - 25-06-2023
(25-06-2023, 10:43 AM)tellyblues Wrote: The Voice had a better average but only because it started high (after a barren few months of Bond films on Saturday nights) and also benefited from a few weeks of itself having no competition. When Strictly came along, it tanked.
Starstruck was down on its first series and there were problems with the format that contributed towards that but I'm not sure if its replacement is going to achieve any better retention from SNT.
The Voice certainly did start higher and drop when Strictly came along, but even if we just look at the weeks when it faced Strictly it still posted a higher average than Starstruck (3.2m) despite the vastly more difficult slot. It only dipped below 3m (to 2.9m) for one episode whereas Starstruck averaged below it.
It’s definitely possible for a new show to retain more of Takeaway. Limitless Win and 1% Club have both done a much better job of retaining a large lead in than Starstruck.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - steve - 25-06-2023
Hasn’t The Voice always started higher than it finishes, which is why over the years the final few shows have gradually been reduced?
Certainly the blind auditions are the most different / interesting thing about the format - we certainly tend to watch those opening weeks and then don’t want the final live eps.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - tellyblues - 25-06-2023
(25-06-2023, 12:17 PM)Score Wrote: The Voice certainly did start higher and drop when Strictly came along, but even if we just look at the weeks when it faced Strictly it still posted a higher average than Starstruck (3.2m) despite the vastly more difficult slot. It only dipped below 3m (to 2.9m) for one episode whereas Starstruck averaged below it.
It’s definitely possible for a new show to retain more of Takeaway. Limitless Win and 1% Club have both done a much better job of retaining a large lead in than Starstruck.
I'm not sure the clash with Strictly is that big of a deal considering the different audiences and the fact that viewers of Strictly can switch over to The Voice for the last hour and help its ratings. For what The Voice claims to represent and deliver upon, it massively underperforms whereas Starstruck for what it is doesn't and ITV's estimations of how it should have performed have been wide of the mark, IMO.
The retention debate is all good but I don't see anyone saying that Blankety Blank should be punted for not retaining enough of Strictly's audience. Whilst SNT doesn't get anywhere near the same ratings, it's not your average show and its numbers reflect that. 1% Club and Limitless Win both perform substantially better than others in the genre because it's not simple right and wrong answers and they are more accessible than most game shows.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - Score - 26-06-2023
(25-06-2023, 01:45 PM)tellyblues Wrote: I'm not sure the clash with Strictly is that big of a deal considering the different audiences and the fact that viewers of Strictly can switch over to The Voice for the last hour and help its ratings. For what The Voice claims to represent and deliver upon, it massively underperforms whereas Starstruck for what it is doesn't and ITV's estimations of how it should have performed have been wide of the mark, IMO.Of course the clash was significant because Strictly massively dented The Voice’s audience during that period, and it was about half The Voice’s running time most weeks. Even Blankety Blank afterwards was tougher competition than anything Starstruck faced.
The retention debate is all good but I don't see anyone saying that Blankety Blank should be punted for not retaining enough of Strictly's audience. Whilst SNT doesn't get anywhere near the same ratings, it's not your average show and its numbers reflect that. 1% Club and Limitless Win both perform substantially better than others in the genre because it's not simple right and wrong answers and they are more accessible than most game shows.
What programmes “claim” to be is ultimately all hype and just puff and wind. They’ll be judged based on how they deliver against their budget and against other comparable shows and for all Starstruck claimed to just be a bit of fun I can’t imagine it was any cheaper to produce than The Voice. And crucially ITV don’t own it, unlike The Voice.
With retention, again the best way to judge it is comparisons against other shows in the same slot. Blankety Blank has done a better job of retaining Strictly’s audience than previous occupants such as The Wall. Yet Starstruck has performed less well than other shows in similar slots, such as Limitless Win, The 1% Club, The Voice, and the first series of Starstruck itself. If the second series of Starstruck had performed like the first we wouldn’t be having this conversation as I’m sure it would be back, but it fell 25% which is really steep and put it at a much weaker level.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - tellyblues - 26-06-2023
The Voice has been in sharp decline for a while now. It was lucky to get 4m last year, aided by a summer of nothing. The death of The Queen and the BBC handing ITV two Saturdays on a plate prolonged that luck.
As posted above and has been said many times before, the blind auditions are the only exciting aspect of The Voice but once they're done the show fails. Starstruck has problems straight away, each episode being overly bloated and the overall quality of the show questionable. There's nothing wrong with The Voice until the knockout rounds which holds it in much better stead for a new series starting up compared to Starstruck where viewers know what to expect - and avoid. Even if it had been commissioned for another series under the same format, running out of big names would have been its downfall but the format was not beyond fixing.
Starstruck also has the weakness of being associated with Stars In Their Eyes which hampers its potential unlike say The 1% Club which is Test The Nation meets Whittle but these are shows that the general public don't remember and so The 1% Club is seen as "new". It's also logic based questions which is unique for a gameshow in this day and age. Limitless Win is all about numbers - another rarity - and anyone can play along. This is partly why they rate so well.
A bog standard gameshow wouldn't have faired any better than Starstruck so I expect similar discussions to be had in 2024 when one turns up and fails to retain enough of SNT's audience but no doubt the eagerly anticipated last for a while series of SNT will change things.