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RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - iloveTV1 - 30-10-2023
I suspect they consider The X Factor every year, although the fact that they’re apparently ‘refreshing’ The Voice next year probably means that they won’t be bringing back the former in 2024 at least.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - Flux - 30-10-2023
(27-10-2023, 10:58 AM)Johnr Wrote: It just 'lacks' something compared to the Graham Norton / ALW vehicles from the BBC days
If they were so desperate to shove Alan Carr in it as a bit of an apology for BGT then stick him in the host role instead of Zoe Ball, not make him a judge simply because (and I quote) 'I've been on more stages than you've had hot dinners'
There looks to be a live final on 10th December for it
I think it’s lacking any authority and therefore stakes. In the ALW shows, Andrew Lloyd Webber had a strong presence and you felt impressing him could lead to a myriad of future opportunities - as a competitor you weren’t just going for the lead role, you were banking on making an impact. Cameron Mackintosh was involved in the Nancy show to add to that hierarchy. It felt connected and relevant to the real West End casting process. Sure Judy Cramer is out in Greece to try and sprinkle some of that authority, but for some unclear reason she’s sat at the cheap seats in the back making notes on a clipboard whilst 4 judges - none of whom have ever been involved in casting a stage musical, two of whom have very little understanding of what performing in a stage musical demands - gush over performances which are above and beyond anything the two characters on offer ever actually do in the show.
Which leads to the second issue - the actual roles on offer. They’re “nothing” roles. Sophie, arguably, has a bit of a journey but on the whole they’re not Maria, Joseph, Nancy-style meaty leads with standout numbers and emotional gravitas. They’re secondary, fluffy parts. Of course you need talent to play them, but by the end of the opening group number in episode 1 all those competitors proved they had enough ability to do at least a passable job. The drawn out format of singing different group songs each week isn’t proving anything relevant. Even if it was loose at times, with Maria etc each performance could realistically target and demonstrate a different range, depth, skill or growth suited to the character’s demands. Sophie and Sky need to look pretty, learn some group choreography and hold a couple of tunes whilst whoever plays Donna (currently the incredible Mazz Murray) and the other older cast members carry the show around them.
It’s quite a clever move from a production perspective really as the casting of those two roles don’t have much bearing on the success of musical itself. I doubt they’d allow Donna and other roles to be cast with such little input from the show’s creatives, but the young roles are so generic that leaving the decision to largely irrelevant judges (and maybe the public if there’s a live final?) isn’t setting up a potential disaster. Unfortunately, the low stakes translate to the screen so it all just falls flat.
Newshound47 - Newshound47 - 30-10-2023
(30-10-2023, 08:58 AM)Flux Wrote: I think it’s lacking any authority and therefore stakes. In the ALW shows, Andrew Lloyd Webber had a strong presence and you felt impressing him could lead to a myriad of future opportunities - as a competitor you weren’t just going for the lead role, you were banking on making an impact. Cameron Mackintosh was involved in the Nancy show to add to that hierarchy. It felt connected and relevant to the real West End casting process. Sure Judy Cramer is out in Greece to try and sprinkle some of that authority, but for some unclear reason she’s sat at the cheap seats in the back making notes on a clipboard whilst 4 judges - none of whom have ever been involved in casting a stage musical, two of whom have very little understanding of what performing in a stage musical demands - gush over performances which are above and beyond anything the two characters on offer ever actually do in the show.Interestingly Mazz Murray is in the credits as a creative consultant thriugh she hasn’t yet been seen on screen.
Which leads to the second issue - the actual roles on offer. They’re “nothing” roles. Sophie, arguably, has a bit of a journey but on the whole they’re not Maria, Joseph, Nancy-style meaty leads with standout numbers and emotional gravitas. They’re secondary, fluffy parts. Of course you need talent to play them, but by the end of the opening group number in episode 1 all those competitors proved they had enough ability to do at least a passable job. The drawn out format of singing different group songs each week isn’t proving anything relevant. Even if it was loose at times, with Maria etc each performance could realistically target and demonstrate a different range, depth, skill or growth suited to the character’s demands. Sophie and Sky need to look pretty, learn some group choreography and hold a couple of tunes whilst whoever plays Donna (currently the incredible Mazz Murray) and the other older cast members carry the show around them.
It’s quite a clever move from a production perspective really as the casting of those two roles don’t have much bearing on the success of musical itself. I doubt they’d allow Donna and other roles to be cast with such little input from the show’s creatives, but the young roles are so generic that leaving the decision to largely irrelevant judges (and maybe the public if there’s a live final?) isn’t setting up a potential disaster. Unfortunately, the low stakes translate to the screen so it all just falls flat.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - callumwatchestelly - 31-10-2023
(30-10-2023, 07:35 AM)iloveTV1 Wrote: I suspect they consider The X Factor every year, although the fact that they’re apparently ‘refreshing’ The Voice next year probably means that they won’t be bringing back the former in 2024 at least.
Not if C5 are still planning on reviving it.
I really hope that isn't happening still.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - tellyblues - 04-11-2023
So, Harry Potter keeps its place tonight with Mamma Mia being shown before. Next week, owing to various timings and things, it's shunted to 2.40pm.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - Brekkie - 04-11-2023
How did the repeat and new episode rate last week?
I know Strictly is a beast but thought ITV might have some kind of Saturday evening schedule now the RWC has finished rather than just yet another outing for the Harry Potter films before The Voice - especially with time shifting to consider and a post-Strictly line up that will not neccessarily appeal to the same audience.
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - tellyblues - 04-11-2023
I don't know about the repeat but the newest episode got 1.5m so not much of a drop.
With The Voice treated as filler, it's perhaps thought there's not much point of having a decent lead-in whereas more effort will be made if it's The Masked Singer or BGT. Equally, if the general standard of shows that ITV commission including those outside of Strictly season (Moneyball, In With A Shout, Romeo & Duet, The Void, Small Fortune) is so poor, it's probably best them not wasting any more money.
Survivor following Strictly was a surprise so maybe ITV didn't think of that either, but then again, it would have been The Wheel or Blankety Blank being seen as too much of a ratings challenge so The Voice it is...
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - Ash101 - 04-11-2023
(04-11-2023, 09:26 AM)tellyblues Wrote: So, Harry Potter keeps its place tonight with Mamma Mia being shown before. Next week, owing to various timings and things, it's shunted to 2.40pm.
That's just a repeat for Mamma Mia though, the original airing is a Sunday night. It's also repeated on Saturday afternoon on ITV2 too... so plenty of opportunities to enjoy
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - Ash101 - 07-11-2023
The Weakest Link returns on Saturday 18th November at 5:55pm - presumably running weekly in the pre-Strictly slot.
First time they've started it this early, usually it appears just before/around Christmas then does that week between on a nightly basis. The BBC schedule page lists it as 1/16, but the original commission was 12 parts - so unsure which is correct.
Plus Celebrity Mastermind is on Friday nights at 8pm - usually found on Saturday early evening...
RE: The TV Gameshow Thread - tellyblues - 07-11-2023
Thinkbox has updated - the repeat of Mamma Mia on ITV1 attracted all-in 800k. Survivor just tops 3m on its debut then loses 300k for its second episode.