Newsnight - Printable Version
+- Pres Café (https://pres.cafe)
+-- Forum: Pres Café TV and Radio Forums (https://pres.cafe/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: News and Sport Presentation (https://pres.cafe/forumdisplay.php?fid=3)
+--- Thread: Newsnight (/showthread.php?tid=107)
+- Pres Café (https://pres.cafe)
+-- Forum: Pres Café TV and Radio Forums (https://pres.cafe/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: News and Sport Presentation (https://pres.cafe/forumdisplay.php?fid=3)
+--- Thread: Newsnight (/showthread.php?tid=107)
RE: Newsnight - bbctvtechop - 14-06-2024
(13-06-2024, 11:40 PM)Stuart Wrote: At one time BBC Persia used to have fine black mesh blinds on the windows in 54D when it was dark outside. The lights from All Souls Church, other lit buildings and the headlights of the moving traffic were still visible. You still got the perspective changing when cameras moved, but there was no reflection of the staff operating behind the camera.
Perhaps they could try that again for Newsnight. I don't want to lose the view out of the windows, but they seem to have the same issue that the Daybreak v.1 newsreader's desk suffered from in TLS Studio 7 many years ago.
It was even more clever than that. Each camera lens also had a device on the front where operators could adjust it to open or close the mesh effect to let in more or less (or none!) of the outside lights in.
I never figured out exactly how it worked!
The problem towards the end (before the 54D refurbishment when the desk moved away from the windows) was that so many changes had been made to the streetscape the blinds no longer matched.
RE: Newsnight - krs55 - 14-06-2024
(14-06-2024, 01:23 PM)bbctvtechop Wrote: It was even more clever than that. Each camera lens also had a device on the front where operators could adjust it to open or close the mesh effect to let in more or less (or none!) of the outside lights in.
I never figured out exactly how it worked!
The problem towards the end (before the 54D refurbishment when the desk moved away from the windows) was that so many changes had been made to the streetscape the blinds no longer matched.
Persian TV had variable ND filters attached to the front of the cameras, and there were polarised blinds on the windows. Very effective, and it was possible to control exactly how bright the view was behind Presenters, better in MCU/MS shots than wide shots. They were driven by whoever was doing Vision Control/Lighting in the Gallery, not the Camera Operator on the floor (most cameras were under remote PTZ and focus control by the Lighting/Vision Op anyway).
They worked the way that cheap variable ND filters for DSLRs would work. Variable ND doesn't help against direct sunlight hitting a presenter - just the view out the window. The ND wheels needed constant tweaking as the cameras crabbed across the studio floor. The streetscape blinds were quite clever, though spoiled the overall feel of the view through the window - possibly why Newsnight don't use them?
RE: Newsnight - Spencer - 14-06-2024
Are these the same netting blinds in 54D that were in use when Andrew Marr and Sophie Raworth were in there on Sunday mornings?
I remember at that time of day they looked terrible, with really prominent moiré patterns all over them. I’d assumed they’d tacked up some greenhouse shading netting from B&Q (which I understand is a quick fix used in some parts).
RE: Newsnight - Ash101 - 19-06-2024
Victoria made a slight dig at the reduced Newsnight runtime this evening.
As they were cutting a debate short, one of the panel made a comment about the show ending already and she replied along the lines of “it goes fast doesn’t it? We say that every night don’t we Nick? I wonder why”
Does feel a shame to not let the debates run a bit longer if they’re naturally heading that way. Especially in the current climate of election discussion. An extra 10 minutes wouldn’t really effect the budget as they’ve cut that with the reports?
RE: Newsnight - Bluecortina - 19-06-2024
(14-06-2024, 07:45 PM)krs55 Wrote: Persian TV had variable ND filters attached to the front of the cameras, and there were polarised blinds on the windows. Very effective, and it was possible to control exactly how bright the view was behind Presenters, better in MCU/MS shots than wide shots. They were driven by whoever was doing Vision Control/Lighting in the Gallery, not the Camera Operator on the floor (most cameras were under remote PTZ and focus control by the Lighting/Vision Op anyway).
They worked the way that cheap variable ND filters for DSLRs would work. Variable ND doesn't help against direct sunlight hitting a presenter - just the view out the window. The ND wheels needed constant tweaking as the cameras crabbed across the studio floor. The streetscape blinds were quite clever, though spoiled the overall feel of the view through the window - possibly why Newsnight don't use them?
I'll take the opportunity to add to your post if I may to take a couple of earlier questions into account?
When GMB moved to TLS St7 electrically controlled ND filters were applied to the windows. This was pretty much just a thin film of material and it wasn't altogether a success as you got some ripples in it that could not be 'ironed out', not necessarily 'seen' by the cameras but there nonetheless. The degree of density was remotely controlled by the vision controller but it was a bit hit and miss and some of the panels stopped working or proved not to be uniform across their dimensions
This Morning in TLS studio 8 had a different solution. Originally the windows were covered in a simple curtain of fairly coarse scrim, I'm wondering looking back if there were two per window but I can't remember it was so long ago. Very effective as these things are. This was eventually replaced by the polarised filters you mention above. The windows were covered in a film of polarising film with the polarisation permanently in one direction (obviously) and in front of the cameras were placed motorised wheels of polarising filters which of course when rotated interacted with the filters across the windows to vary the amount of light passing through to the camera sensors from the windows. Very clever, and of course the light produced the lamps in the ceiling were unaffected.
RE: Newsnight - Luc - 19-06-2024
(19-06-2024, 02:16 AM)Ash101 Wrote: Victoria made a slight dig at the reduced Newsnight runtime this evening.
As they were cutting a debate short, one of the panel made a comment about the show ending already and she replied along the lines of “it goes fast doesn’t it? We say that every night don’t we Nick? I wonder why”
Does feel a shame to not let the debates run a bit longer if they’re naturally heading that way. Especially in the current climate of election discussion. An extra 10 minutes wouldn’t really effect the budget as they’ve cut that with the reports?
I mean anyone keen to hear the same debates with the same talking heads could tune in to BBC Politics Live, GB News, Talk TV, Jeremy Vine, LBC, Sky News Press Preview, GMB etc in the 24 hours afterwards, not mention all those podcasts......
RE: Newsnight - GraemeT88 - 19-06-2024
I don’t mind the new newsnight at all tbh.
To be clear it’s not “newsnight” but as a show talking about the days “news” at “night” it’s fine.
RE: Newsnight - Moz - 19-06-2024
(19-06-2024, 06:15 PM)GraemeT88 Wrote: I don’t mind the new newsnight at all tbh.
To be clear it’s not “newsnight” but as a show talking about the days “news” at “night” it’s fine.
I agree. It was always the studio discussions I enjoyed more in the past when it was the full Newsnight anyway.
That time of night is too late for my brain to be able to cope with heavyweight lengthy reports.
Not sure where in the schedule this essential content should move to though.
RE: Newsnight - Omnipresent - 19-06-2024
I understand Newsnight has to work with fewer resources but I do think it is poor that it immediately defaulted to using the same pundits that have done countless appearances elsewhere on the BBC and in the commercial sector.
RE: Newsnight - interestednovice - 21-06-2024
I’ve just been watching Newsnight and have to say that the moiré pattern when they show the papers is so awful!
Why are they persisting with this when they previously used a perfectly-good virtual over-the-shoulder graphic?!