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RE: Newsnight - excel99 - 05-11-2023

(04-11-2023, 10:34 PM)JMT1985 Wrote:  US networks have never provided a networked national news programme at lunchtime, just a waste of money
ABC and NBC have added permanent lunchtime national news in recent years. ABC as a spin off from Good Morning America, NBC via a simulcast of NBC News Now. I think for at least one network - maybe both - they are used as a cheaper replacement for daytime soaps?

RE: Newsnight - Kim Wexler’s Ponytail - 05-11-2023

(05-11-2023, 01:25 AM)Stockland Hillman Wrote:  My understanding is the STV data is for PSB news,  so excludes Scotland Tonight and online.  The analysts are usually very accurate and trusted, but you understand I can't share specifics.

Public data has the entirety of ITV Network and regional news and current affairs (exc Scotland) as costing £120m in 2019

You can see that £8-13m on Newsnight for 300k viewers does raise questions.

Should point out that there is some debate about the ITV spend, as other analysts have suggested its included platform and tech costs that would exist anyway for ITVs regional ad sales

But Newsnight has never been a ratings juggernaut and It's never been expected to be. Until now apparently. And where does iplayer/online come into all of this? Do you have those figures?

Also, you keep pointing to ITV but what's the ITV equivalent of Newsnight? 
What exactly are you pointing to?

RE: Newsnight - interestednovice - 05-11-2023

Exactly, the fact that ITV (and the commercial sector in general) have no equivalent is the point. That’s why it’s important the BBC does it. PSB broadcasting is supposed to fill the gaps left by the market alone.

ITV’s only investigative strand is Tonight, which is basically a lightweight consumer affairs version of Panorama. They are not going to produce an equivalent to Newsnight.

“people dancing around with spoons on their head, the fact is that’s what ITV is for”!

RE: Newsnight - Kim Wexler’s Ponytail - 05-11-2023

(05-11-2023, 06:03 PM)interestednovice Wrote:  Exactly, the fact that ITV (and the commercial sector in general) have no equivalent is the point. That’s why it’s important the BBC does it. PSB broadcasting is supposed to fill the gaps left by the market alone.

ITV’s only investigative strand is Tonight, which is basically a lightweight consumer affairs version of Panorama. They are not going to produce an equivalent to Newsnight.

“people dancing around with spoons on their head, the fact is that’s what ITV is for”!

Let's not forget Channel 4 News. And I’m not an ITV news snob, they do great work, I’m just pointing out they don't have a Newsnight style side to them that sits nicely alongside the populist bullitens.

RE: Newsnight - interestednovice - 05-11-2023

They don’t, and even Channel 4 News isn’t the same. I also didn’t mean to mock ITV News, I hope I didn’t come across that way, but I was reminded of a W1A joke and couldn’t resist!

Yes, ITV do good work with the Tonight programme and domestic news. Channel 4 News is quite good for world news and analysis, but neither are quite like Newsnight.

The BBC’s own NC, as a now-global service, also has a different slant to bulletins and Newsnight so it is madness to think about curtailing those. A revamped 10 incorporating elements of Newsnight could work - but why do that and end up pushing regional news too late into the evening when Newsnight works better on BBC Two?

I hesitate to say it, but if they did axe Newsnight, the BBC would also be casting about for an extra few hours a week of “premium, UK-facing content” for the NC too!

RE: Newsnight - Independent - 05-11-2023

(05-11-2023, 01:03 PM)excel99 Wrote:  ABC and NBC have added permanent lunchtime national news in recent years. ABC as a spin off from Good Morning America, NBC via a simulcast of NBC News Now. I think for at least one network - maybe both - they are used as a cheaper replacement for daytime soaps?
And the bigger local stations are now placing local news at mid-morning (10 am?) and mid-afternoon (2 pm?) using the same anchors, which further shows news is cheaper than soaps and other programming. It's also why in the US they have local news at 4 am and 4 pm in some places even small cities. Some of these stations now have at least 9 hours of local news every weekday.
Could the BBC One bulletin presenters do a 30 minute opt-out for the BBC News channel before their BBC One bulletins e.g. 11 am and 3 pm?

RE: Newsnight - watchingtv - 05-11-2023

ITV did have Agenda. Peston continues but only as a series not 50 odd weeks a year.

RE: Newsnight - chris - 05-11-2023

(05-11-2023, 06:03 PM)interestednovice Wrote:  Exactly, the fact that ITV (and the commercial sector in general) have no equivalent is the point. That’s why it’s important the BBC does it. PSB broadcasting is supposed to fill the gaps left by the market alone.

ITV’s only investigative strand is Tonight, which is basically a lightweight consumer affairs version of Panorama. They are not going to produce an equivalent to Newsnight.

“people dancing around with spoons on their head, the fact is that’s what ITV is for”!

ITV also have Exposure which airs sporadically but often has very hard-hitting investigations and access that Newsnight now rarely does.

RE: Newsnight - DTV - 05-11-2023

(05-11-2023, 07:00 PM)interestednovice Wrote:  Channel 4 News is quite good for world news and analysis, but neither are quite like Newsnight.
C4 News is definitely the closest comparator (and I'd argue actually better than Newsnight at world news since the latter slashed their international reporting a few years ago), but I'd agree that Newsnight does have a certain uniqueness to it, likely owing to its history as an explicitly news and current affairs programme. The problem is that some of the unique aspects to Newsnight within BBC TV news are just rare generally - the FT (and, to a much lesser extent, The Guardian) are the only newspapers to really engage in meaningful policy analysis these days, with much of the rest coming from non-news actors (e.g., the IfG and IFS). These things are rare because they are expensive and require specialists with non-journalistic skills.

(05-11-2023, 07:00 PM)interestednovice Wrote:  I hesitate to say it, but if they did axe Newsnight, the BBC would also be casting about for an extra few hours a week of “premium, UK-facing content” for the NC too!
I think 'would' might be too strong a word. As far as I'm aware, the new channel is not mandated to carry a certain number of hours of UK content (and, even if it was, I'd be surprised if simulcasts were allowed to count towards it, plus the 50% reduction in Nicky Campbell hours would surely have required something else). I think the 'premium UK content' slogan was just a sop to Newswatch viewers, rather than something contractual.

RE: Newsnight - interestednovice - 05-11-2023

I’m not sure of the detail of it (quotas, etc) but yes, to an extent it is.

The BBC’s broadcasting licence for the NC imposes conditions that it must cover UK news. That hasn’t changed because they tried to claim the new channel was no different from the old. Ofcom said that they would be analysing what the BBC did with the channel to ensure that UK stories were “sufficiently covered”.

The BBC will not want an argument with Ofcom so will be careful to ensure they meet this obligation.

But I am with you to an extent on it being a sop to Newswatch. Honestly, I could hardly believe that Paul Royall could get through that interview with a straight face - “we’ve got the Nicky Campbell phone-in, the News at One, Six and Ten, plus Newsnight on the channel; at least three hours of premium, UK-facing content every weekday”!