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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - harshy - 31-01-2024

Is it me or the picture has suddenly improved out of Leeds it was doing something funny though between shots like it downscaled to sd and then upscaled again, it does look a lot more sharper.

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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - Mike - 31-01-2024

That's pretty much what's going on across the regions with new cameras but no new apps/gallery. The camera/server input is HD, downscaled within the mixer etc to SD PAL, then down to CCM where it's upscaled to HD again.

I just had a butchers at the last opt out from Leeds on Breakfast and you can see it's still being transmitted in SD (you can see the picture quality drop when regions soft opt, and thin black bars appear on the left and right of the frame as network goes through the regional studio). One thing I did notice is how slightly out of focus the CU shot was, I thought it was my eyes to begin with:
https://up.metropol247.co.uk/Beep/LSBreakfast.png 

Still, could be worse:
https://up.metropol247.co.uk/Beep/TWBreakfast.png 

I think TW's must be the oldest studio cameras still in use across the regions now - and it shows. I imagine they were installed circa 2001, why does everything have a strange green outline?!

But if you compare both of the above (Leeds as an SD only, HD camera site and TW as an SD only operation) to a true HD studio you can see the difference in quality:
https://up.metropol247.co.uk/Beep/SOBreakfast.png 



Leeds have had the newer Sony cameras for some time now, at least since May - so I expect this is what you're noticing - I think it's just TW and Hull left for the cameras to be replaced.

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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - harshy - 31-01-2024

I think it’s sharper on the actual broadcast channel then it is on iplayer, the edges looked much sharper.

Looks like you are right though the actual cameras are HD been downscaled into the SD mixer, a bit like when I watch a UHD channel being downscaled to HD resolution.

Which is the next region due for an HD upgrade?

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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - Mike - 31-01-2024

(31-01-2024, 11:54 AM)harshy Wrote:  I think it’s sharper on the actual broadcast channel then it is on iplayer, the edges looked much sharper.

I'm not an expert, but you can see it on the actual channel however the iPlayer on PC runs at 720p for HD streams, rather than 1080 - whereas broadcast channels are closer to 1080p/i resolution if that makes sense. It's almost like the old days of 14:9 regions 'showing out' as it were on a soft opt by adding black bars to the picture...

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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - harshy - 31-01-2024

(31-01-2024, 12:08 PM)Mike Wrote:  I'm not an expert, but you can see it on the actual channel however the iPlayer on PC runs at 720p for HD streams, rather than 1080 - whereas broadcast channels are closer to 1080p/i resolution if that makes sense. It's almost like the old days of 14:9 regions 'showing out' as it were on a soft opt by adding black bars to the picture...

That makes sense, thanks Mike, does look good the upscale although now the moire seems more obvious.

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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - Spencer - 31-01-2024

One thing I have noticed with Leeds, compared to the other regions, is the LED screens have a noticeable blue tint to them. The whites never look white.

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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - Mike - 31-01-2024

(31-01-2024, 01:34 PM)Spencer Wrote:  One thing I have noticed with Leeds, compared to the other regions, is the LED screens have a noticeable blue tint to them. The whites never look white.

There's probably all sorts of reasons why the colours are slightly off, here's almost a colour chart - same set, mostly the same cameras excluding Hull and TW (but obviously different racking)
https://up.metropol247.co.uk/Beep/RegionsComparison.png 

Now I'd say aesthetically does it matter, but when you have them all on a screen (albeit for 5 seconds) at the end of the network bulletins it stands out.

Norwich also seem to suffer from very 'yellow' internal sources - no issues racking wise but the studio monitors, and previously the rear projection screen, all whites showed up as yellowy.

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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - Steve in Pudsey - 31-01-2024

Leeds does look better this lunchtime on studio shots. Unless I missed them, they didn't seem to put the cue dots up when they soft opted.

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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - Keith - 31-01-2024

(31-01-2024, 02:36 PM)Mike Wrote:  Norwich also seem to suffer from very 'yellow' internal sources - no issues racking wise but the studio monitors, and previously the rear projection screen, all whites showed up as yellowy.

I've got a feeling that many of Norwich's studio lights weren't LEDs, which meant if they were using 'white' (rather than cream colour) lighting it probably may have been slightly off-white. I recall a few years they had a special "green edition" where they mentioned they'd had some LED lights fitted especially for that edition (arguably 'green washing' as they weren't retained).

When Look East had it's gallery upgraded to HD there was a noticeable different in quality between the studio pieces and reports. In their current temporary set they're presumably using newer cameras, as the picture quality in the temporary studio is another improvement (though some camera angles aren't ideal).

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RE: BBC/ITV Yorkshire and Lincolnshire News - Mike - 31-01-2024

(31-01-2024, 02:52 PM)Keith Wrote:  When Look East had it's gallery upgraded to HD there was a noticeable different in quality between the studio pieces and reports. In their current temporary set they're presumably using newer cameras, as the picture quality in the temporary studio is another improvement (though some camera angles aren't ideal).

The cameras are the same they had in their studio - they were updated a fair while back now and the IGS Gallery went live not so long ago so maybe it all works together.

Any images on Norwich's rear projection screen - including the logo loop - had the whites slightly yellow, and even in the temporary set, at least for the first couple of days, the yellowing appeared on the LCD screens there. That's what made me think it was some kind of setup issue, or deliberate?

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