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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - Stooky Bill - 17-04-2023

Indeed, although in this case the phone audio never appeared on air so a TBU wouldn't be necessary as it's just the two performer having a conversation in the way they would if they weren't in a studio. Just in this case they were both being filmed.

It's the way some modern day podcasts are made - the contributors have a low quality Zoom (or similar) connection, and then each location records their voice/video in good quality

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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - Tola - 04-05-2023

https://youtu.be/GzZZ4tfnb2A 
Always an occasional favourite, the link after the Flinstone episode failing to play correctly and instead cutting to a breakdown slide for the next minute or so

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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - robertclark125 - 04-05-2023

One on TV Whirl, in the ITV North Night time section, was when Tyne tees, along with a few others, took the Granada Night time service, in the late 1980s-early 1990s. Granada handled playout and continuity, with the regions doing their own ad breaks. If the region concerned had no ads to show, they took the follows shortly slide and music, like the early days of Channel 4. One occasion, an error at Granada during the final break, saw them put up the programmes for that night, instead of the follows shortly slide. In other words, the programmes that had been on that night!

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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - Former Member 443 - 04-05-2023

They always showed the menu through the final break, although obviously it was usually tbe correct one...

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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - Neil Jones - 04-05-2023

An ad break falls off the air on Central in 1991 and as in-vision continuity had been dropped four years previously, the 90 second gap is filled by a throwback to a promotional package introduced, um, four years previously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzAVn3z-6A 

Somebody in the comments suggests the machine playing the adverts keeled over and died. Not sure if Central were using cart machines for adverts as late as 1991 or something else, or whether a cart machine was just to play Channel 4 adverts.

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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - Former Member 443 - 04-05-2023

(04-05-2023, 10:30 PM)Neil Jones Wrote:  An ad break falls off the air on Central in 1991 and as in-vision continuity had been dropped four years previously, the 90 second gap is filled by a throwback to a promotional package introduced, um, four years previously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzAVn3z-6A 

Somebody in the comments suggests the machine playing the adverts keeled over and died.  Not sure if Central were using cart machines for adverts as late as 1991 or something else, or whether a cart machine was just to play Channel 4 adverts.

Looks to me as if it's more likely they hadn't programmed it correctly and it simply ran out of commercials to play out. 

I know at Tyne Tees they tended to not put out ads live from their BCN100 as they'd been bitten a couple of times with just this sort of thing happening, and preferred to dub them onto another tape, only doing them live if there were last minute changes etc. I get the impression that other companies were similar.

What other systems would have been available in 1991? I thought YTV were still using a cart system in the late '90s that had been put in in 1993 when the new joint centre was opened.

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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - Stooky Bill - 05-05-2023

By 1991 they'd probably have moved onto something newer than an ACR25 (if that's the sorry of thing you're thinking by cart based system) but that's not to say that what happened in that video wouldn't have occurred no matter what system they used.


I know Thames changed from ACR25s to Panasonic MARCs library management systems in about 1990 for both channels. Like Former Member 443 says about Tyne Tees they were reluctant to put them straight to air so compiled to tape first and played that out. I don't know how soon beforehand that was done, but I once heard a story about a slightly over zealous bit of housekeeping when someone cleared out the schedule for the next break too

Those sort of tape based systems were in their prime in the late 80s/early 90s - the MARC was used by a few ITV companies and the BBC, who all chose Panasonic format tapes. For those who used Sony tapes then there was Betacart (used a lot of news more than playout) Sony LMS and Flexicart and Odetics. Sky and BSB launched around that time and would have been using one of those.

Even in the late 90s and 2000s they were being made and installed - Channel 5 playout had two Sony LMS compiling ads into Profile servers at launch in 1997 and the BBCs playout areas had Flexicarts installed when it moved into the Broadcast Centre in the mid 2000s

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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - robertclark125 - 05-05-2023

Another Central breakdown, but this is at the start of this video. We lose sound on the film, and the announcer apologises, but they carry on with just the vision, before fading out, and putting up a holding slide, where the announcer apologises again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GARBZVG8UeY 

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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - Former Member 443 - 05-05-2023

(05-05-2023, 07:32 AM)Stooky Bill Wrote:  By 1991 they'd probably have moved onto something newer than an ACR25 (if that's the sorry of thing you're thinking by cart based system) but that's not to say that what happened in that video wouldn't have occurred no matter what system they used.


I know Thames changed from ACR25s to Panasonic MARCs library management systems  in about 1990 for both channels. Like Former Member 443 says about Tyne Tees they were reluctant to put them straight to air so compiled to tape first and played that out. I don't know how soon beforehand that was done, but I once heard a story about a slightly over zealous bit of housekeeping when someone cleared out the schedule for the next break too

Those sort of tape based systems were in their prime in the late 80s/early 90s - the MARC was used by a few ITV companies and the BBC, who all chose Panasonic format tapes. For those who used Sony tapes then there was Betacart (used a lot of news more than playout) Sony LMS and Flexicart and Odetics. Sky and BSB launched around that time and would have been using one of those.

Even in the late 90s and 2000s they were being made and installed - Channel 5 playout had two Sony LMS compiling ads into Profile servers at launch in 1997 and the BBCs playout areas had Flexicarts installed when it moved into the Broadcast Centre in the mid 2000s

I see, fair enough, I was lumping the cassette-based ones in generically with "carts" in my mind and wondering how the heck a server type system was possible in 1991 lol.

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RE: TV Mistakes/Breakdowns - From the North - 05-05-2023

(04-05-2023, 10:30 PM)Neil Jones Wrote:  An ad break falls off the air on Central in 1991 and as in-vision continuity had been dropped four years previously, the 90 second gap is filled by a throwback to a promotional package introduced, um, four years previously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzAVn3z-6A 

Somebody in the comments suggests the machine playing the adverts keeled over and died.  Not sure if Central were using cart machines for adverts as late as 1991 or something else, or whether a cart machine was just to play Channel 4 adverts.

The "Let's Get Together" audio theme was used until the end of 1992, not just in Breakdowns but the odd bit of promo/continuity next/later junctions, but not on Idents.

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