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RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - James2001 - 08-03-2023

(08-03-2023, 11:16 AM)JAS84 Wrote:  It must be. If it was the 1989 corporate one it couldn't have the copyright year on it.

Some ITV corporate endcaps have the copyright year on- the second series of Wheel of Fortune, which has been shown quite extensively on Challenge, does for a start, as do many of the 1989/90 episodes of Take The High Road currently on the STV player, so it's something STV did at least (interstingly, on the first few weeks after the corporate look came in, the jingle from the previous endcap plays under it- so clearly the new endcap corporate was edited onto a bunch of episodes at the last minute). I'm sure I've seen a Tyne Tees example too.

Edit, yep, looking at TV Ark on the Wayback machine, there's Tyne Tees examples from 1990, 91 and 92 (so presumably there's 1989 examples out there too, so it's quite possible the Supergran version was corporate):

https://web.archive.org/web/20201130015511/https://www.tvark.org/?page=1137 

RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - JAS84 - 08-03-2023

If so, then the lack of For ITV on it is the likely reason it was replaced.

RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - Matt79 - 08-03-2023

(08-03-2023, 01:28 AM)Michael Kenchington Wrote:  
(07-03-2023, 09:56 PM)Matt79 Wrote:  Seeing the earlier post about the Tyne Tees endcap made me remember an oddity in the 1989 reruns of Supergran, before the generic ITV look. The series was first shown 2 years before and was filmed in 1986, but for the repeats they had a new Tyne Tees endcap with the 1989 date.  I remember on one episode the endcap went off and for about 2 seconds the original one appeared, the familiar blue and yellow Tyne Tees logo, with the original and correct date of MCMLXXXVI.  I don't understand why they wanted to repackage a 2 year old programme as "new"

Which new Tyne Tees endcap with the 1989 date? Is it the Flowing Rivers one from 1988?

I think it would be the Flowing Rivers endcap as JAS84 said.  That would be the one with the pale orange background and I think the TTTV letting was a pale grey colour.

RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - JAS84 - 09-03-2023

It was a blue logo on a yellow background. Supposed to be water on sand, I think.

RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - Milkshake - 09-03-2023

Is this the one your are ref? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5QBeIjJqa0 

RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - Matt79 - 09-03-2023

It is the one. I have never seen any other programme that had a new endboard added when it was repeated.

RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - Michael Kenchington - 09-03-2023

Also, does anybody know how many versions of the 1988 Tyne Tees Flowing Rivers endcaps are there?

RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - Matt79 - 10-03-2023

(08-03-2023, 03:14 PM)JAS84 Wrote:  If so, then the lack of For ITV on it is the likely reason it was replaced.

(09-03-2023, 08:55 PM)Milkshake Wrote:  Is this the one your are ref? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5QBeIjJqa0 

The endcap was replaced in Spring 1989, about 5 months before the corporate ITV branding

RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - nionlogos18 - 10-03-2023

Episodes of Tales of the Unexpected on Sky Arts so far have been a mixture of three different endcaps, the 2001 Granada one, and two variants of the 1988 Anglia logo, one saying “Anglia Production” another saying “An Anglia Programme”. All plastering the original Anglia Knight logo.

RE: Programme/Movie Openers and Endboards - Former Member 443 - 11-03-2023

(07-03-2023, 09:56 PM)Matt79 Wrote:  Seeing the earlier post about the Tyne Tees endcap made me remember an oddity in the 1989 reruns of Supergran, before the generic ITV look. The series was first shown 2 years before and was filmed in 1986, but for the repeats they had a new Tyne Tees endcap with the 1989 date.  I remember on one episode the endcap went off and for about 2 seconds the original one appeared, the familiar blue and yellow Tyne Tees logo, with the original and correct date of MCMLXXXVI.  I don't understand why they wanted to repackage a 2 year old programme as "new"

Iirc it was done live by TTTV, in the North East the frontcap was always replaced as well. They did this a lot, they didn't appear to have preprepared end caps with old dates entered. The silliest example of this was when they repeated a 1973 special on Sundetland's FA Cup win and actually dated it 1992. It wasn't a repackage either, they just masked the old boards with the then-current versions.

Sounds as if when they were networking that episode they cut away from local continuity for the network feed (it was common practice to switch in the originating company's pres desk to network when, for example there was a promo for some merchandise at the end, and they would do this for endcap replacements as well - and then switch back to a clean copy of that frame to avoid dirty-feeding to network), either forgetting that this would expose the original logo on the tape, or switching to the wrong source in error.

It was Tyne Tees policy and standard practice to put the copyright on the endcap, from when this was mandated by Trident in 1976 (prior to this they either had it on the credit roll or omitted it altogether), and continuing into the 2000s,although after 1996 it did alternate with a credit roll copyright.

To underline the point about TT tending not to have endcap with prior dates (or even lacking a date) available - in November 1992 YTV insisted on TT placing a presentation slide at the end of imports and films as per YTV practice. For the first couple of days, these programmes were all marked as "a Tyne Tees Presentation for ITV/(C) MCMXCII"