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RE: French TV - News Discussion - mouseboy33 - 26-10-2023

Interesting how the French networks dont seem to get the same dismissive comments, disdain and disgust that US networks get all the time. Even though most of the French networks are typically partisan roundtables and talking heads shoutfests and sets that resemble gameshows. Hmmm. Interesting.


RE: French TV - News Discussion - matthieu1221 - 27-10-2023

(26-10-2023, 07:29 PM)mouseboy33 Wrote:  Interesting how the French networks dont seem to get the same dismissive comments, disdain and disgust that US networks get all the time. Even though most of the French networks are typically partisan roundtables and talking heads shoutfests and sets that resemble gameshows.  Hmmm. Interesting.

CNEWS and BFMTV both definitely do, but for different reasons.


Globaltraffic24 - Globaltraffic24 - 27-10-2023

(26-10-2023, 07:29 PM)mouseboy33 Wrote:  Interesting how the French networks dont seem to get the same dismissive comments, disdain and disgust that US networks get all the time. Even though most of the French networks are typically partisan roundtables and talking heads shoutfests and sets that resemble gameshows.  Hmmm. Interesting.

From whom? The audience? Social media? Or people on this forum? If it’s the first two, you might need to step out of your cave! CNews has received record fines for its right wing approach and BFM is routinely attacked by left and right for its connections to Macron (and latterly its slight rightward shift). 

If it relates to people on this forum, it’s probably because we find French (and generally European) TV news a bit more interesting. The sets can be a bit awful, the shows can be dire, but the channels tend to refresh their look and hosts regularly which is ultimately what interests people on this forum. If by US TV, you mean Fox, that’s probably because it’s garbage - intentionally made cheap because the bosses have contempt for their target audience and believe ‘working class’ viewers are happy to accept badly produced TV, provided they agree with whatever argument the hosts are making that day. 

If by US you mean regional TV or the other networks, there’s plenty constructive chat on this forum about that! Indeed, there’s routine high praise here for example for NBC and its world beating standard for set lighting and design.


RE: French TV - News Discussion - mouseboy33 - 28-10-2023

(27-10-2023, 01:37 PM)Globaltraffic24 Wrote:  From whom? The audience? Social media? Or people on this forum? If it’s the first two, you might need to step out of your cave! CNews has received record fines for its right wing approach and BFM is routinely attacked by left and right for its connections to Macron (and latterly its slight rightward shift). 

If it relates to people on this forum, it’s probably because we find French (and generally European) TV news a bit more interesting. The sets can be a bit awful, the shows can be dire, but the channels tend to refresh their look and hosts regularly which is ultimately what interests people on this forum. If by US TV, you mean Fox, that’s probably because it’s garbage - intentionally made cheap because the bosses have contempt for their target audience and believe ‘working class’ viewers are happy to accept badly produced TV, provided they agree with whatever argument the hosts are making that day. 

If by US you mean regional TV or the other networks, there’s plenty constructive chat on this forum about that! Indeed, there’s routine high praise here for example for NBC and its world beating standard for set lighting and design.

All of American news isnt FOX NEWS, buts its all dismissed because of one channel. Thanks for proving that point.


Globaltraffic24 - Globaltraffic24 - 28-10-2023

(28-10-2023, 12:44 AM)mouseboy33 Wrote:  All of American news isnt FOX NEWS, buts its all dismissed because of one channel.  Thanks for proving that point.

I asked you for clarity on whether you were referring to Fox. It’s a natural assumption as it tends to attract a lot of negativity. I also asked if you meant the other networks and I asked who you meant. 

I’m not really sure why you entered this thread, which focuses on French TV news to make a frankly bizarre remark that seems to imply the world hates American TV. 

It’s a bit of an odd hill to die on, but to each their own, as they say! Anyway, I know Americans (and American fans) love to talk about themselves, but could we perhaps get back on topic and focus on FRENCH tv? Merci!!!


RE: French TV - News Discussion - matthieu1221 - 28-10-2023

Clement Garin is a living example of a stopped clock is right twice a day, but given that this seems vaguely plausible, it's worth considering as an example of him being right with a scoop. Switek would be following in Toussaint's footsteps by moving from the 22/00 to 9/12 weekdays. Jean-Baptiste Marteau reportedly declined the 9/12.

Taddéï moving from CNEWS to BFMTV seems plausible in that his show is one of the lowest rated on CNEWS (quite different in a positive way from the rest of their programs so might be disorienting for their viewers) and given the high caliber of his shows -- despite him having been present on the Kremlin's local propaganda station, RT France -- it might be a way for them to attempt to rival LCI where Brunet has been dominating for the past year and more.

https://twitter.com/clem_garin/status/1718191820310454596 


RE: French TV - News Discussion - London Lite - 29-10-2023

In this interview with Jean-Baptiste Marteau, he mentions how he helped to revamp the Franceinfo morning show, which saw their highest ratings on October 19th.

https://www.toutelatele.com/j-en-ai-ras-le-bol-le-coup-de-gueule-de-jean-baptiste-marteau-apres-son-record-d-audience-158198 


RE: French TV - News Discussion - Kunst - 29-10-2023

I'm happy for Franceinfo if so , definitely the most balanced French TV news channel out there

And yes, I definitely think many people, especially those without the knowledge of French, don't know how much criticism CNews and BFM too often get

A bit "immature" to look down at all French news like that


RE: French TV - News Discussion - Medianext.MX - 30-10-2023

Back to BFMTV, Télé-Loisirs magazine has obtained an internal memo from the network's management, announcing at the start of the month his formal departure from the network, which will happen before Christmas. In the report, one of the network's employers (which declared anonymously) said that his departure had caused the anger of both Hervé Beroud (Altice's president of news and current affairs) and Marc-Olivier Fogiel; additionally, another source accused Fogiel of editorial interference and interventionism, something that angered Toussaint personally:

https://www.programme-tv.net/news/tv/339217-exclu-bruce-toussaint-ce-quil-ne-supportait-plus-sur-bfmtv/ 

Jean-Jacques Bourdin, who was suspended and eventually released from Altice (RMC/BFMTV) before last year's presidential election over inappropriate conduct allegations, also heavily attacked Fogiel during an interview on France 5's C Médiatique, also accusing him of editorial interference, but also of attempting to force him to use teleprompter and/or earpiece, something he refused (and angering Fogiel in the process). Bourdin currently does his morning interview on Sud Radio (one of the pioneering peripheral stations, which is now regarded by media analysts as a far-right station and the radio equivalent of CNEWS), with exactly the same style of a face-to-face interview.

https://www.programme-tv.net/news/tv/339291-jean-jacques-bourdin-revele-la-demande-speciale-quil-a-faite-a-sud-radio-pour-etre-a-portee-de-baffe-de-ses-invites/ 

The network responded shortly thereafter and announced it would trigger a lawsuit on the grounds of "denigrating declarations".

https://www.bfmtv.com/bfmtv-et-vous/making-of/communique-d-altice-media_AN-202310300511.html 


RE: French TV - News Discussion - matthieu1221 - 30-10-2023

(30-10-2023, 03:07 PM)Medianext.MX Wrote:  Jean-Jacques Bourdin, who was suspended and eventually released from Altice (RMC/BFMTV) before last year's presidential election over inappropriate conduct allegations, also heavily attacked Fogiel during an interview on France 5's C Médiatique, also accusing him of editorial interference, but also of attempting to force him to use teleprompter and/or earpiece, something he refused (and angering Fogiel in the process). Bourdin currently does his morning interview on Sud Radio (one of the pioneering peripheral stations, which is now regarded by media analysts as a far-right station and the radio equivalent of CNEWS), with exactly the same style of a face-to-face interview.

https://www.programme-tv.net/news/tv/339291-jean-jacques-bourdin-revele-la-demande-speciale-quil-a-faite-a-sud-radio-pour-etre-a-portee-de-baffe-de-ses-invites/ 

The network responded shortly thereafter and announced it would trigger a lawsuit on the grounds of "denigrating declarations".

https://www.bfmtv.com/bfmtv-et-vous/making-of/communique-d-altice-media_AN-202310300511.html 

Not too sure what they expect out of the lawsuit. Nothing was particularly denigrating nor defamatory. Waste of time for everyone involved and most certainly won't improve the channel's image, not least because what Bourdin said was rather true and out there for everyone to see. It's most certainly backed up by what Toussaint was allegedly unhappy about (the Zucker-esque editorial interference that Fogiel has).

Gala has a more elaborate write-up on what Bourdin said on France 5
https://www.gala.fr/l_actu/news_de_stars/video-jean-jacques-bourdin-tire-a-boulets-rouges-sur-larrivee-de-laurent-ruquier-sur-bfmtv-ca-ne-marche-pas_531843 


October news channel ratings from Mediametrie:
Channel - Oct 23 (change from Sep 23 / change from Oct 22)
BFMTV - 3.1% (+-0% / -0.1%)
CNEWS - 2.7% (+0.2% / +0.5%)
LCI - 2.1% (+0.1% / +0.1%)
franceinfo - 0.9% (+0.1% / +0.1%)

Overall total for news channels: 8.8% (+0.4% / +0.6%).

What should be a big news month and ratings boost for BFMTV isn't, have viewers switched off due to the perceived pro-Israeli bias? CNEWS has been boosted easily since this month's events fit right into what their audience likes to hear. LCI is relatively stable, there isn't an infinite audience for in-depth geopolitical and military analysis I suppose!