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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - DTV - 19-04-2023

(19-04-2023, 09:13 PM)Kojak Wrote:  For starters, BBC Three. What was the point of bringing that back as a linear channel, doubling its budget to £80 million, only for the BBC to then announce a couple of months later that BBC Four, CBBC and the News Channel were for the chop? Now there is talk that BBC Four might stay and Three could be shut down again - so what was the point? BBC Three's target audience just don't watch linear TV.

I agree that bringing back BBC Three as a linear channel wasn't a great idea, but I don't think spending more on content for its target audience is and wouldn't support siphoning money away from content for that audience towards a channel whose viewer profile is pretty much the complete opposite. As I've said elsewhere on here, I think that the BBC should actually be going harder on consolidating their linear services and their inability to actually commit to closing channels is just wasting a ton of money on zombie channels that rack up 10s of £m in broadcasting costs. While actually closing a pair of channels would free up some extra money purely on such costs, I'd need convincing that the News channel was a deserving recipient.

I do see the attraction in wanting to keep the weekday daytime service, but evenings and weekends do rate better - if there was to be some UK-only content, wouldn't it make more sense to spread it more evenly and more towards the viewer? Ultimately, I'm increasingly of the view that the better option would've been a partial (or even full) consolidation of 5 Live and the News channel into a single bi-modal channel (with radio opt outs for sport) focussed on UK news. Obviously, that would have been a more radical route (and I have no doubt that this forum would have equally hated it), but it would've been doable and would have solved the financial issue of two hard-to-trim UK news services.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - woodnorton - 19-04-2023

(19-04-2023, 10:19 PM)DTV Wrote:  

(19-04-2023, 09:13 PM)Kojak Wrote:  For starters, BBC Three. What was the point of bringing that back as a linear channel, doubling its budget to £80 million, only for the BBC to then announce a couple of months later that BBC Four, CBBC and the News Channel were for the chop? Now there is talk that BBC Four might stay and Three could be shut down again - so what was the point? BBC Three's target audience just don't watch linear TV.

I agree that bringing back BBC Three as a linear channel wasn't a great idea, but I don't think spending more on content for its target audience is and wouldn't support siphoning money away from content for that audience towards a channel whose viewer profile is pretty much the complete opposite. As I've said elsewhere on here, I think that the BBC should actually be going harder on consolidating their linear services and their inability to actually commit to closing channels is just wasting a ton of money on zombie channels that rack up 10s of £m in broadcasting costs. While actually closing a pair of channels would free up some extra money purely on such costs, I'd need convincing that the News channel was a deserving recipient.

I do see the attraction in wanting to keep the weekday daytime service, but evenings and weekends do rate better - if there was to be some UK-only content, wouldn't it make more sense to spread it more evenly and more towards the viewer? Ultimately, I'm increasingly of the view that the better option would've been a partial (or even full) consolidation of 5 Live and the News channel into a single bi-modal channel (with radio opt outs for sport) focussed on UK news. Obviously, that would have been a more radical route (and I have no doubt that this forum would have equally hated it), but it would've been doable and would have solved the financial issue of two hard-to-trim UK news services.

If they need to cut back, and I know they do with the license freeze, surely go back to the 90s with BBC1 & 2 only, move childrens to 3:30 till 6 on 1, high culture (4) and yoof (3) to 2, and don't simulcast, get Carol Hersee back on. Show people what cuts mean don't cut the salami so thin you need a microscope.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - DTV - 19-04-2023

(19-04-2023, 10:26 PM)woodnorton Wrote:  If they need to cut back, and I know they do with the license freeze, surely go back to the 90s with BBC1 & 2 only, move childrens to 3:30 till 6 on 1, high culture (4) and yoof (3) to 2, and don't simulcast, get Carol Hersee back on. Show people what cuts mean don't cut the salami so thin you need a microscope.

While a consolidation of linear services may end up resembling historic arrangements to a degree, I don't think anything this drastic is necessary and am in no way advocating some kind of return to the past.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - Kojak - 19-04-2023

(19-04-2023, 10:19 PM)DTV Wrote:  I agree that bringing back BBC Three as a linear channel wasn't a great idea, but I don't think spending more on content for its target audience is and wouldn't support siphoning money away from content for that audience towards a channel whose viewer profile is pretty much the complete opposite. As I've said elsewhere on here, I think that the BBC should actually be going harder on consolidating their linear services and their inability to actually commit to closing channels is just wasting a ton of money on zombie channels that rack up 10s of £m in broadcasting costs. While actually closing a pair of channels would free up some extra money purely on such costs, I'd need convincing that the News channel was a deserving recipient.

I agree that the BBC would probably do well to close a few more of their linear channels - just not the news channel. Ideally, it would have stayed until the bitter end. Unbiased, accurate, quality broadcast journalism is an important public service. As excellent as Sky News is - and it truly is a very good news channel - there really ought to be more than one UK-focussed news channel (no, I don't count GBN or Talk TV - they are opinion channels - and very slanted towards certain opinions - with brief news updates). I'm not sure Nail Bar Boys or Drag Race UK are really as important as a British news channel, to be quite honest.

(19-04-2023, 10:19 PM)DTV Wrote:  I do see the attraction in wanting to keep the weekday daytime service, but evenings and weekends do rate better - if there was to be some UK-only content, wouldn't it make more sense to spread it more evenly and more towards the viewer? Ultimately, I'm increasingly of the view that the better option would've been a partial (or even full) consolidation of 5 Live and the News channel into a single bi-modal channel (with radio opt outs for sport) focussed on UK news. Obviously, that would have been a more radical route (and I have no doubt that this forum would have equally hated it), but it would've been doable and would have solved the financial issue of two hard-to-trim UK news services.

My thinking is that most breaking news, particularly that which is important but not 'BBC World' important, generally happens during the daytime on weekdays. That content can then be repackaged later on, for network bulletins, online, and even evening World bulletins (which may also report on these stories, but with less priority than the erstwhile News 24). Plus I'd have thought it would be cheaper and easier to employ the people to produce the news channel during standard office hours, rather than evenings and weekends. And don't underestimate the number of offices, banks, pubs/restaurants and other public spaces that have BBC News on during the day. It all adds up to the public perception of the BBC, and if that continues to fall, we might end up with fewer people paying the all-important licence fee. I know that last point is a reach, but with an incredibly hostile press ready to whip up a fuss in a second, it's not impossible.

That being said, maybe you're right about the hours. Perhaps afternoons and early evenings would be better? The One team could carry on until, say, 5pm, then another team could come in and do, say 5-9? The rest could then stay as is.

Your 5 Live idea is certainly interesting. It's not without potential, but then if BBC World is continuing as a proper news channel whilst News 24 had to close, it obviously makes sense to expand World's availability to the UK, rather than introducing some radio-TV hybrid. I think there's also the issue of it perhaps being seen (perhaps unfairly) as cheap and nasty. Just sticking a bunch of cameras in a radio studio and televising the result doesn't really work. It won't be lost on you that even TalkTV has moved towards producing more shows as TV, rather than radio. As you say, it certainly is doable, but it would have to be radically different to either current 5 Live or the erstwhile News Channel.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - James2001 - 20-04-2023

The flipper's showing the call in details for Nicky Campbell's show now...

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - ALV - 20-04-2023

Ewww... the breaking strap generated from Singapore is so messed up... The color scheme, the font placement is all wrong...




The BBC NEEDS to sort out the graphics inconsistency before they hand over full gallery control of Newsday to Singapore in the future... Currently the 0100 hour is produced from Singapore, presumably as a pilot, and the graphics look so awkward all the time, as if it was like a YouTube mock...

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - Independent - 20-04-2023

How does closing linear channels like BBC Three and Four and moving them online save money? Based on what's been described the content will just be online. So wouldn't the BBC still be paying for the rights to that programming and production of that content (which I assume would be the majority of the budget for each channel)? Do production companies charge more if the BBC broadcast them on TV than make them on demand online? Is transmission much more expensive than I assume? Or is it some other factor(s)?

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - xlalonce - 20-04-2023

(20-04-2023, 01:04 AM)ALV Wrote:  Ewww... the breaking strap generated from Singapore is so messed up... The color scheme, the font placement is all wrong...




The BBC NEEDS to sort out the graphics inconsistency before they hand over full gallery control of Newsday to Singapore in the future... Currently the 0100 hour is produced from Singapore, presumably as a pilot, and the graphics look so awkward all the time, as if it was like a YouTube mock...

Why not generating the graphics directly from Singapore instead of the Headlines/Breaking/Names Graphics made by them and the Logo, programme bug and the zombie ticker from London?

Also, Singapore straps have the transparency of the Red Bee ticker, so it looks more inconsistent

BTW mantaining a Two-line strap, that is the only good thing

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - Keith - 20-04-2023

(20-04-2023, 12:04 AM)James2001 Wrote:  The flipper's showing the call in details for Nicky Campbell's show now...

I'm not sure that's really needed when the same details are also present on the right hand side quite a bit. Hopefully over the coming weeks they'll utilise this to also display the main headlines, which would benefit news channel viewers.

Overall the programme doesn't seem as bad as first feared, as I'm guessing they used some of the simulcasts earlier in the year to iron out some of the potential problems. However, I'd still prefer this radio simulcast to only be on BBC Two, with the News channel carrying a service, either showing the same as the rest of the world or a UK-opt out. That said this is about cost-cutting whilst trying to boost the number of 'UK opt-out' hours on paper for statistics (the 5Live simulcast making up 10 hours of UK content per week).

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - Juicy Joe - 20-04-2023

Has the Nicky Campbell show been axed from BBC2 this morning? The Snooker started at 9.30am today, so either Nicky was on for 30 mins only, or not at all. Or are they catching up the order of play after the orange powder incident on Monday. Doesn't seem much point simulcasting a programme for 28 minutes if so.

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