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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - ginnyfan - 07-12-2023

I wouldn't put Simon's paper-tablet stunt in the same category as greeting your viewers with a middle finger. If this is supposed to be acceptable, and not cause ''outrage'' or fuss, then what's stopping Christian Fraser from mooning the viewers at the start of The Context tonight??? Maybe we should accept that as well, if it's just him having some fun, at work, with his colleagues.  

Once again, I don't think Moshiri should be fired, replaced or anything like that. Suspension or some sort of warning will probably happen since the story has gone international now and BBC is already under a lot of pressure from all sides. But there are certain rules and ways to behave at the work place, especially if you're working on tv and broadcasting to hundreds of thousands around the world. There is a special responsibility this job carries with it. Most news presentes seem to understand this.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - Skygeek - 07-12-2023

(07-12-2023, 01:39 PM)ginnyfan Wrote:  I wouldn't put Simon's paper-tablet stunt in the same category as greeting your viewers with a middle finger. If this is supposed to be acceptable, and not cause ''outrage'' or fuss, then what's stopping Christian Fraser from mooning the viewers at the start of The Context tonight??? Maybe we should accept that as well, if it's just him having some fun, at work, with his colleagues.  

Once again, I don't think Moshiri should be fired, replaced or anything like that. Suspension or some sort of warning will probably happen since the story has gone international now and BBC is already under a lot of pressure from all sides. But there are certain rules and ways to behave at the work place, especially if you're working on tv and broadcasting to hundreds of thousands around the world. There is a special responsibility this job carries with it. Most news presentes seem to understand this.

Sanctimonious drivel. And you still haven't answered my question as to how you know she wanted it to go viral.

Because you don't. Because confected outrage is more fun.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - leewilliams - 07-12-2023

I’ll dare to tread a middle way here.

Calls for Maryam to be suspended (or worse) are clearly way over the top - a reminder from a manager about expected studio etiquette will suffice.

But sticking a finger up at a camera in a live studio speaks to something I’ve written about here before - a general impression that ever since the changes, the NC’s adopted this laissez-faire, “oh that’ll do” approach that’s created a bit of a vacuum for more unprofessional stuff to happen compared to the past. People I speak to internally now regard the Channel as a bit of a joke and on a fairly regular basis you see that attitude seeping onto the screen.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - London Lite - 07-12-2023

It's a blooper, nothing more.

The 'outrage' from certain posters about a split second joke meant for the gallery is way over the top.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - ginnyfan - 07-12-2023

I don't know if she wanted to go viral with some of those previous little things she did at the end of bulletins, there are many You Tube clips of them. It's nothing bad or wrong, clearly many presenters like to have some harmless fun at the end, though some of Maryam's are a bit cringy. So it's just my conclusion that she wanted to go viral or draw attention, since she did not do these things before, as far I know.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - Skygeek - 07-12-2023

(07-12-2023, 01:49 PM)leewilliams Wrote:  I’ll dare to tread a middle way here.

Calls for Maryam to be suspended (or worse) are clearly way over the top - a reminder from a manager about expected studio etiquette will suffice.

But sticking a finger up at a camera in a live studio speaks to something I’ve written about here before - a general impression that ever since the changes, the NC’s adopted this laissez-faire, “oh that’ll do” approach that’s created a bit of a vacuum for more unprofessional stuff to happen compared to the past. People I speak to internally now regard the Channel as a bit of a joke and on a fairly regular basis you see that attitude seeping onto the screen.

She shouldn't have done it - but what is there to say beyond that that doesn't groundlessly assassinate the character of a presenter that the people doing so have likely never met?

I guess that's my overall point.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - South - 07-12-2023

I think any reprimand should be a matter for the HR team at the BBC, rather than ourselves. We need to entrust that a suitable reprimand is provided with a reminder of professional standards and that should then be the end of the matter. Overall its a bit of a storm in a teacup, which has probably only been exaggerated due to ill feeling regarding the 'missing' presenters.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - matthieu1221 - 07-12-2023

(07-12-2023, 12:15 PM)Skygeek Wrote:  How - objectively - do you know that "she wanted that viral moment"?

Go on... how?

And while you're occupying the inside of her head, perhaps you could give us other profound insights like whether she likes sugar in her tea or not.

Reactions like this are why on-air people often end up hating being in the public eye. Reactionary tosh devoid of any intellectual merit.

Probably why there's such lack of levity nowadays on the BBC. Damned if they do anything deemed too much of a stretch from simply reading the autocue. Heck even Victoria's farewell got complaints here iirc.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - aaron_scotland - 07-12-2023

From Twitter, though he has since deleted his tweets

"Robert Coxwell, a photographer and journalist, wrote on X that he was the gallery producer for the show and said it was “regrettable” that someone had “found the need to amplify it”, adding that only two people on X had noticed but it “went largely ignored for 10 hours. Until someone went on to a BBC system, clipped it up and sent it out.”

Coxwell said it had been taken from an internal archive system called Autorot, adding: “Luckily Autorot provides a log of who did what because it triggers an email to say the clip they wanted is ready to be downloaded.”

He then tweeted: “I am so deep into the workings of Autorot I can’t tell you. Christmas could be coming early for someone!”"

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/dec/07/bbc-presenter-apologises-after-giving-middle-finger-at-start-of-live-broadcast 


Does that last sentence imply he is trying to sack the person who 'leaked' it when it went out on air? This seems very weird. The person getting punished should be the one messing around infront of tv cameras.

It was clipped by really big Twitter users right after it happened, this whole 'only 2 people saw it' is just bonkers.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - interestednovice - 07-12-2023

(07-12-2023, 01:39 PM)ginnyfan Wrote:  I wouldn't put Simon's paper-tablet stunt in the same category as greeting your viewers with a middle finger. If this is supposed to be acceptable, and not cause ''outrage'' or fuss, then what's stopping Christian Fraser from mooning the viewers at the start of The Context tonight??? Maybe we should accept that as well, if it's just him having some fun, at work, with his colleagues.  

Once again, I don't think Moshiri should be fired, replaced or anything like that. Suspension or some sort of warning will probably happen since the story has gone international now and BBC is already under a lot of pressure from all sides. But there are certain rules and ways to behave at the work place, especially if you're working on tv and broadcasting to hundreds of thousands around the world. There is a special responsibility this job carries with it. Most news presentes seem to understand this.

I agree. It’s about professionalism at work, which seems to have gone out of the window here.

Even if not in an on-air role, I would expect a professional working environment where this sort of thing doesn’t happen - jokes allowed, yes, but not this in this sort of crass or vulgar way; and certainly not from an on-air “face” (they are held to higher standards); and certainly not in the studio; and certainly not on the air.

The “explanation”, frankly, just makes the whole thing even more bizarre. We are talking about an experienced news presenter. Somebody who would understand the golden rule to assume that cameras are always on and microphones are always live. The countdown from 10 to 1 is basically that the feed cuts to you in vision on 2 or 1 because the 0 is the cue to start reading the autocue. It also certainly was the case in the past, and I’m sure it still is, that the UK NC often cut in a second or two early as the two feeds synced together - UK NC feed being the output straight from the gallery, of course, and not via Red Bee.

Time was, a “harmless blooper” was Carole Walker’s handbag being left on the desk. This is far worse than that.

It’s not confected outrage, but Tomasz was suspended after his bloopers and moved to a back-office role for a time. Those saying this shouldn’t happen are showing that standards have, indeed, dropped since those days.

The reason many of us are not happy about this is that we do still watch and care about the NC, so to see further slides in quality is disappointing.

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