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RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - interestednovice - 06-06-2023
The One Show studio is also not set up as a news studio, which would have had implications for the news department if they had needed to use it.
I would have expected them to use B, and can’t really think of any other space that would have worked.
This may have meant other programmes which did end up coming from B over the years may not have done, although it wasn’t a studio used during the early part of the morning anyway.
I think a quick turnaround from Breakfast to WN should have been possible in time for all the usual WN shows to use the studio along with Breakfast. An extra shift of camera operators, etc, would have been required - but this would have been a like-for-like replacement of an equivalent shift in Salford.
RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - Independent - 06-06-2023
Going back to the idea of moving news out of London. While they are different broadcasters and in countries with different circumstances, would it be useful to compare and contrast the BBC with Australia's ABC?
The ABC looks very decentralized. On the main channel, News Breakfast is from Melbourne on weekdays (Sydney on weekends). Lunchtime news (a simulcast of the news channel) is from Sydney. 7pm bulletins are from the capitals followed by "7:30" from Sydney. The late night news is from Melbourne and Perth depending on the time zone. The Sunday morning politics program is bizarrely from Melbourne instead of Canberra though the daily politics program on the news channel is in the Australian capital.
Part of this can be explained by the capital and financial centre aren't the same and more than one time zones though Sydney and Melbourne are in the same time zone. None of their on-air staff regularly move around like BBC ones moving between London and Salford for obvious reasons.
On the news channel, sports news is regularly presented from Sydney or Melbourne but sometimes Brisbane. Weather is completely from Melbourne. Last weekend, their daytime bulletins came from Melbourne and Canberra instead of Sydney for some reason.
RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - interestednovice - 06-06-2023
I’d argue that ABC being very decentralised reflects Australia in general.
While Canberra is the capital city, Sydney is the most significant media base for most broadcasters. Australia in general has the vast majority of the population concentrated in/around 5 major cities across the country. It also has several time zones. Catering to all of this means it may make sense to make extensive use of bases across the country.
News in Australia is also very different, generally. The country is quite parochial. Apart from most having a bit of interest in British affairs, due to our long historical connections, most Australians really don’t care very much about international news. In fact, they primarily care about regional/local news and this gets higher viewing figures than national news programmes. Their “news diet” is therefore different and the way ABC produce news reflects that.
I’d argue we are in the opposite position. The country is physically, geographically small so is only one time zone. London is a traditional capital city, where pretty much every company would have it’s UK HQ. Other news, whether political, the arts or whatever, really tends to originate from London. It therefore makes huge sense to have a centralised news department there.
Salford should have a basic North West Tonight/Today operation like every other region, at low cost. Breakfast should come from London, and the News at One should also. The idea of having part of the same team produce both is more an argument for Breakfast to return to London than for the One to move to Salford.
Why is having things randomly not in London regarded as a “Good Thing” when it creates inefficiencies, costs more and results in little difference to the viewer (often arguably a downgrade)?
In fact, at a time of such cuts in news at the BBC, cuts which are severely affecting the quality of output, how can such extravagance possibly be justified?
RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - Stooky Bill - 06-06-2023
(04-06-2023, 12:39 PM)freeview87 Wrote: Local news during Breakfast could be fluffed out more, with packages used from the late bulletin, given that not much changes overnight.Not much changes, but that doesn't mean that last night's news is still relevant. Daily news programmes work on daily cycles, they rarely roll over stories to the next day
The Breakfast regional bulletins are very basic and require little work and basic staffing in the morning, often just a few stock footage ULAYs that have been cut the evening before.
RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - Stooky Bill - 06-06-2023
(02-06-2023, 02:36 PM)Milkshake Wrote: Back in the 90s Angus Simpson used to do GMTV bulletins then do 30min lunchtime edition of Scotland today at 1pm. Nothing new in the UK.It's not, but regional news is different to a 3 hour breakfast programme.
Those working on the breakfast ITV and BBC regional bulletins will start for 6am, they only need to do a few minute long bulletin and most of that will have been written and cut the night before. Often it's just the weather to clip up for the first bulletin.
Those working on Breakfast will either have been on shift all night, or start at about 3am
When I worked in regional news the 5 people on the breakfast shift (it'll be less now but that was a director, BJ, SBJ and a PA, plus an engineer on duty for both TV and radio). They came in for 6ish did all the breakfast bulletins, went for a break and then did lunch and went home at 2, so an 8 hour shift, and 5 in a row
Those working on Breakfast will need to do much longer shifts if they're expected to work on the 1 as well. So it's not as if they get it for free, long shifts mean they need more people
RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - interestednovice - 06-06-2023
Long shifts would effectively be a compressed hours type arrangement, as you say.
Everyone involved would have to work a shorter week and have more of a break before their next run of shifts, so you would need extra staff. Even if treated as a split shift, which it could be for some roles, it’s quite long with an anti-social starting time.
I don’t think Breakfast and lunchtime naturally go together at all.
It just feels like Davie’s latest idea to promote the regions, and at the same time perhaps vacate Studio E ready for a refurbishment (although there is no technical reason why they cannot use B at NBH for the News at One).
RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - Moz - 06-06-2023
(05-06-2023, 11:05 PM)Nige Wrote: Slight change of topic, but when is Breakfast moving into the new studio?Well Chris Cook posted that he’s on Salford this week.
It’s been months since renovation work started!
RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - nwtv2003 - 06-06-2023
I noticed Carol Kirkwood was presenting the weather in the Breakfast studio this morning. She’s not normally in Salford, unless there’s a good reason…?
RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - Brekkie - 06-06-2023
(05-06-2023, 10:38 PM)gottago Wrote: Talent transport and hotel costs will be a drop in the ocean compared to the money saved from having one crew do Breakfast and the One. Everyone always seems to forget that the most costly part of TV production is normally the wages of the people making it.
Asking staff to knock off at 2pm instead of 10am is a big ask though - and the sort of thing that might lead to industrial action if it's just taken for granted that they'll just do the One. It's not like the crew currently hang around an extra 5 hours just in case the One comes from Salford.
RE: BBC Breakfast/BBC News at One Extension? - m_in_m - 06-06-2023
(06-06-2023, 10:23 AM)nwtv2003 Wrote: I noticed Carol Kirkwood was presenting the weather in the Breakfast studio this morning. She’s not normally in Salford, unless there’s a good reason…?
Carol is in Salford a few times a year. Often presumably just for a full team meeting or maybe a team photo shoot. Likewise Matt Taylor has been in the studio before and at the weekend Owain Wyn Evans and Simon King both have when they've covered the shift.
I wouldn't read too much into a particular appearance.