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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - Neil Jones - 01-01-2023

(01-01-2023, 10:36 PM)Ballinagrappa Wrote:  "...production for the BBC and the The Royal Institution"?

The the?

I think its just meant to be "The RI" ("The Royal institution/Science Lives Here" seems to be part of the charities tag-line)

Re: the copyright, I think its done that way so they can host the lectures themselves on their website, remember it was farmed out to other broadcasters before it came back to BBC Four so I think its just treated as an import to a large extent and Auntie gets first airing rights.

They have been doing these lectures for nearly 200 years so long before the BBC came along, but they've only been televised since the mid 1960s.

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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - Spencer - 01-01-2023

(01-01-2023, 10:36 PM)Ballinagrappa Wrote:  "...production for the BBC and the The Royal Institution"?

The the?

Except you’ve actually made it sound less stupid, as it’s ‘for BBC’, not ‘for the BBC’. 

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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - James2001 - 02-01-2023

(01-01-2023, 10:10 PM)JAS84 Wrote:  And the copyright belongs to the production company and the other company it was made for, not the BBC? That's definitely not normal.

Eh? That's how it's been on BBC shows made by indies since 2005!

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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - bkman1990 - 02-01-2023

(01-01-2023, 10:44 PM)Worzel Wrote:  Reith blocks inside NBH but still Gill on the outside...

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gabriella-o-donnell-71a4b91aa_digital-experience-opportunities-activity-7014522003571277824-Z3Uy?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios 

Those new Reith logo blocks were seen on a special programme which was about 100 years of BBC News. Huw Edwards was sitting on a chair in NBH. The new blocks appeared behind him in the programme.

There must be a reason why those new blocks are there as they are located over the newsroom at NBH. They may be used for the upcoming rebuild of the newsroom along with Studio E.

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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - JAS84 - 02-01-2023

(02-01-2023, 02:33 AM)James2001 Wrote:  

(01-01-2023, 10:10 PM)JAS84 Wrote:  And the copyright belongs to the production company and the other company it was made for, not the BBC? That's definitely not normal.

Eh? That's how it's been on BBC shows made by indies since 2005!

It should logically be the production company OR the company it's made for. This one was made for two companies yet the other one gets copyright and not the BBC? I'd have expected it to either the production company or both the RI and BBC. A combination of two of those that doesn't include the BBC? Makes no sense.

Also, when Doctor Who is on later in the year, I bet that'll be copyright BBC, even though it's now made by indie Bad Wolf.

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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - Jon - 02-01-2023

(02-01-2023, 02:48 PM)JAS84 Wrote:  

(02-01-2023, 02:33 AM)James2001 Wrote:  Eh? That's how it's been on BBC shows made by indies since 2005!

It should logically be the production company OR the company it's made for.

Logically it should be who ever owns the copyright. In this case it must be the production company and the Royal Institution. The later owns the copyright to their own lecture and the production company own the copyright to the product made for the BBC.

BBC owns the Doctor Who brand and so yes I imagine that will be the case. But that‘ll be because they own copyright so it’ll be correct in that scenario.

You’ll often see with sports, the whole programme credited to the governing body of that given sport because they own the copyright.

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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - Neil Jones - 02-01-2023

Can "sport" be copyrighted?

Apparently "yeah but no but yeah" is the answer::
https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/regulation-a-governance/item/can-athletes-claim-copyright-in-their-sporting-performances?category_id=124 

Quote:Sporting events cannot be regarded as intellectual creations classifiable as works within the meaning of the [European] Copyright Directive. That applies in particular to football matches, which are subject to rules of the game, leaving no room for creative freedom for the purposes of copyright. Accordingly, those events cannot be protected under copyright. It is, moreover, undisputed that European Union law does not protect them on any other basis in the field of intellectual property

"none the less, sporting events, as such, have a unique and, to that extent, original character which can transform them into subject-matter that is worthy of protection comparable to the protection of works, and that protection can be granted, where appropriate, by the various domestic legal orders".

For further reading, Google is over there -->

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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - Stuart - 02-01-2023

(02-01-2023, 03:08 AM)bkman1990 Wrote:  Those new Reith logo blocks were seen on a special programme which was about 100 years of BBC News. Huw Edwards was sitting on a chair in NBH. The new blocks appeared behind him in the programme.

There must be a reason why those new blocks are there as they are located over the newsroom at NBH. They may be used for the upcoming rebuild of the newsroom along with Studio E.

I'm sure someone showed us some pictures of those from the other side, it looked as though they were small 'meeting pods', and that the image can be changed (although I may have just dreamt the last bit).

They are seen each week when Laura K does records her trailer for the Sunday programme.

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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - guineye - 02-01-2023

(02-01-2023, 05:47 PM)Neil Jones Wrote:  Can "sport" be copyrighted?

Apparently "yeah but no but yeah" is the answer::
https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/regulation-a-governance/item/can-athletes-claim-copyright-in-their-sporting-performances?category_id=124 

Quote:Sporting events cannot be regarded as intellectual creations classifiable as works within the meaning of the [European] Copyright Directive. That applies in particular to football matches, which are subject to rules of the game, leaving no room for creative freedom for the purposes of copyright. Accordingly, those events cannot be protected under copyright. It is, moreover, undisputed that European Union law does not protect them on any other basis in the field of intellectual property

"none the less, sporting events, as such, have a unique and, to that extent, original character which can transform them into subject-matter that is worthy of protection comparable to the protection of works, and that protection can be granted, where appropriate, by the various domestic legal orders".

For further reading, Google is over there -->

This is apparently why the main football leagues usually put their logo on screen for their international broadcasts

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RE: The BBC Chameleon Thread - Brekkie - 03-01-2023

(30-12-2022, 01:47 PM)harshy Wrote:  It’s a shame it’s taking so long for the new logo to appear, it just shows how big the bbc is, too many departments and with the overseas presumably franchise based arrangement, I think we will see the old bbc logo for another two years.

It really isn't the case of the BBC being too bad and really is the case of this rebrand being so badly managed.   There is no excuse for it really - especially as most of the things with the old logo are amongst the easiest to fix, noteably the weather slide and the production end board on new programmes.   That is literally little more than changing out one image for another - stuff that should and could have been done on Day 1.   It's even more odd that BBC Studios are using it on some content but not others.


Which department has responsibility for the "weather" anyway - you'd think either news or (historically perhaps) presentation, both of which are using the new logo across most elements.

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