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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - mdta - 14-04-2023

(13-04-2023, 08:36 PM)DTV Wrote:  I'm not sure if this was mentioned last year, but it does sort of tie into recent discussions about recreating the 2008 graphics, but is the opening shot of the 2022-version of the title sequence not already a recreation? I just noticed earlier that the two cities that are given prominence in the cats cradle of the first shot are London and Edinburgh, where as they used to be Beijing and Madrid (or Johannesburg and Nairobi on the World version). Comparing like-for-like, it also appears there are some other minor changes to the shot (the 'sunray' etching is gone and the cats cradle changes colour depending on background) suggesting it was remade.

I can understand why only that shot was redone - it is less complex than the later remaining ones and the shot that 'featured' London and Edinburgh was removed (though it was already cut from the Ten title sequence). Little surprising, though, that they didn't take the opportunity to add Belfast and Cardiff to the cats cradle.

As I understand it, the World News versions of the titles, always used more international place names, rather than more prominence for UK ones.

I had not paid enough attention to the new version to notice the lack of sun ray shimmer lines.  I can understand wanting to simplify, and remove an effect that may appear as graphical issues with bitrates online.  But I have no knowledge of how the new titles were made.

Did Lambie-Nairn provide the original layered assets and they just composited them differently?
Did they re-create them from scratch?
If they did re-create, why did the placenames not move to Reith, or the end shot changed to not be right aligned?

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - South - 14-04-2023

Probably a stupid question but weren't the titles previously re created in 2012 for the move to Broadcasting House and the transition to HD as standard?

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - mdta - 14-04-2023

(14-04-2023, 08:43 AM)South Wrote:  Probably a stupid question but weren't the titles previously re created in 2012 for the move to Broadcasting House and the transition to HD as standard?

The colours were tweaked in 2013 with the move to Broadcasting House.  The grey shades and darker black areas were given more colour.  This is when the UK version was edited to include the "Trundle Cam".  The Red Box also became an overlay.

I think the World News version was slightly more orange than the UK - but it may just appear that way.

I am not sure if the BBC re-created these, or if they were given higher res versions with tweaks.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - DTV - 14-04-2023

(14-04-2023, 08:43 AM)South Wrote:  Probably a stupid question but weren't the titles previously re created in 2012 for the move to Broadcasting House and the transition to HD as standard?

I believe they were reedited from the originals - which, in typical Lambie-Nairn fashion, had already been designed and produced in HD anticipating the shift. Aside from the recolourings that mdta mentions, some shots were also slowed down.

(14-04-2023, 08:07 AM)mdta Wrote:  As I understand it, the World News versions of the titles, always used more international place names, rather than more prominence for UK ones.

Yes, there are minor differences to the cities featured on the two titles, but not to the extent of the 1999 titles - where the One and Six had wholly UK placenames, the generic and Nine/Ten titles had entirely non-UK placenames, World had major world cities (including London) and News 24 had a mix of domestic and international cities.

Comparing the 2013 World titles and the full-length domestic ones, Dubai, Islamabad, Mumbai, Singapore and Vancouver appear solely in the World version, while Manchester is the only city that appears solely on the UK titles. London also is a bit more prominent in the World version. Looking closely, and I know that it's based on where the BBC have bureaux, but some choice exceptions - I'd never noticed that New York isn't included, indeed all of the Americas are quite underserved - Rio de Janiero the sole city from Latin America.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - mdta - 14-04-2023

https://i.imgur.com/tcvARQW.png 
Here is a comparison side by side from 2008, 2013, and now 2020

- The placenames seem to fade as they go further into the distance again.
- The placenames within the red areas are being inverted (this is mostly the way it is, but not every shot is consistent, even in the original)
- The streams of text seem to be missing from the new versions in this shot.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - koyahyellow - 14-04-2023

Things just feel messier on the bulletins lately. Last night, for example, during the Six headlines, Sharon Beshenivsky's surname was misspelt, and text was missing for images relating to football shirts gambling changes. And then on the Ten, when reporting the death of Judith Miller, a still of the Antiques Roadshow logo very briefly appeared before it disappeared, somehow leaving the sky background from the Laura Kuenssberg show to appear. Little things, but it just feels a bit sloppy.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - whistlerpro - 14-04-2023

BBC Live page video seems to be a strange destination at the moment, clicking the live coverage of Biden’s visit to Belfast the other day didn’t go to the News channel, instead to Newsline (it was good coverage to be fair). Then today the live stream of the rocket launch with uninterrupted control room footage in French with no translation or commentary. What’s going on?

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - ALV - 14-04-2023

Minor breakdown on the international feed just now... At the 1330 BOTH headlines Studio C didn't cue up the opt in sting, so Red Bee cut to the long filler loop (the one with NC's intro music)... Maybe the director forgot they are about to reach the opt in point?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEU5H8iToZ4 
At the end of the filler the video looped for a few seconds as Red Bee tries to opt back into Studio C's feed.

Enjoy the new longer Chameleon version of the filler! This version has NO placenames cats cradle spinning around on the timelapse footage... The HD timelapse footage looks sooo beautiful.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - Kojak - 14-04-2023

(14-04-2023, 01:43 PM)ALV Wrote:  Minor breakdown on the international feed just now... At the 1330 BOTH headlines Studio C didn't cue up the opt in sting, so Red Bee cut to the long filler loop (the one with NC's intro music)... Maybe the director forgot they are about to reach the opt in point?
https://streamable.com/hrso8i 
At the end of the filler the video looped for a few seconds as Red Bee tries to opt back into Studio C's feed.

Enjoy the new longer Chameleon version of the filler! This version has NO placenames cats cradle spinning around on the timelapse footage...

That filler would make a good countdown, I reckon. A nice change from the “look at our reporters reporting” style they’ve used for the past 15 years or so.

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RE: BBC News Pres: Apr 2023 - Present (News Channel/BBC One) - harshy - 14-04-2023

I think it’s the catch all when all fails this shows up, I think the international feed has done a better job with the chameleon package.

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