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Bar Changing Rooms which wasn't a C4 original anyway, compared to similar shows on other channels they could be seen as edgy.

But they weren’t. If other broadcasters get called out for being lazy when they rehash old shows why shouldn't Ch4? The one that is supposed to be different and innovative.

Nobody is saying that C4 can't be criticized. I just think that the shows in question, again bar Changing Rooms, are all different and innovative compared to similar shows on other channels.

TFI Friday vs The One Show
The Big Breakfast vs Breakfast / GMB / generic, sanitized weekend magazine show with cooking segments
The Crystal Maze vs umm... the first series of Lightning which had a physical round?

The C4 shows can be classed as ambitious and quirky in comparison. Compared to the originals, the budget wasn't there and that's another reason they failed.