05-04-2023, 11:52 PM
Well the way things are going (and events do move fast these days) i can see us saying Auld Lang Syne to this Channel completely before too long as much as it saddens me to say this.
(05-04-2023, 11:40 PM)ALV Wrote:(05-04-2023, 11:22 PM)Rolling News Wrote: I think I preferred it a week or so ago when they were showing guide dogs every night after the 10.It's obvious Newsnight is just a tool used by the BBC to fill up the amount of "UK news hour" quota on the domestic feed, so to fulfill their narrative "The UK audience is still getting lots of UK news in the new service".
With Nicky Campbell Everyday launching on Apr 17, the UK-only hours on weekdays are as follows:
0600-1100 (5 hrs)
0955-1000 (5 mins)
1030-1100 (30 mins)
1155-1200 (5 mins)
1300-1400 (1 hr)
1355-1400 (5 mins)
1655-1700 (5 mins)
1730-1900 (1 hr 30 mins)
1955-2000 (5 mins)
2155-2310 (1 hr 15 mins)
That's a total of 9 hours and 35 mins of UK-only hours on the new BBC News channel. Impressive! Don't the numbers look very sexy to top management on paper? Next time when someone complains on Newswatch about the lack of UK news, they can just bring up this number to defend their narrative.
(06-04-2023, 12:01 AM)House Wrote: Surely you’ve double counted 35 minutes here - the first 5 mins and 30 mins won’t be shown once Nicky Campbell’s show takes over?
(06-04-2023, 12:02 AM)ALV Wrote: Ticker briefly returned during Sportsday at 2345 on the World feed... However, Red Bee faded out the ticker a few minutes into the programme, and then replaced it with a ticker-less DOG.Yes it was the first time I’ve seen a functioning ticker on the World feed since the new operation launched on Monday. It didn’t last long but it proved it’s possible. Hopefully we’ll see the ticker back full time on the UK and World feed soon.
There were no technical problems with the ticker, it wasn't frozen or whatsoever. The RSS news headlines on it are up to date.
(06-04-2023, 12:01 AM)House Wrote: Surely you’ve double counted 35 minutes here - the first 5 mins and 30 mins won’t be shown once Nicky Campbell’s show takes over?
You're right! It was my oversight. Just edited it.
(05-04-2023, 11:49 PM)Worzel Wrote:I think that's the issue with it being a combined channel - there seems to be a tug-of-war as to whether (and which) international or domestic stories get priority. Though I'd argue that the husband of the de-facto leader of the Scottish independence movement being arrested could have been a big story worldwide (although he was later released without charge). So quite how they are deciding which stories go where in the running order is a bit beyond me. You'd think the SNP story would be the sort of thing the breakout stream was made for - but presumably there was no one there to do it, as they would have perhaps been preparing for the blood verdict later?(05-04-2023, 11:34 PM)Kojak Wrote: I actually think much of the content over the past few days has been okay. Not fantastic, or even necessarily great, but certainly all right. It definitely needs work, but overall I don't think it's been that bad.But there has been some rather odd and iffy editorial calls as well.
The presentation, on the other hand... ghastly. No other word for it. Absolutely atrocious. I certainly don't blame anyone at the coalface, because they're by and large just doing their jobs as best they can (in what I'd imagine is a very febrile atmopshere). The higher-ups, though... just who signed off on those titles? Who on Earth thought it would be a good idea to simulcast Newsnight, when they know that its timings never dovetail cleanly with what's on either side of it? Who decided to plonk 5 Live on for two hours in the morning?
I do still think - and I have said this time and again, as have you and others on this forum - that there could have been other ways. It's probably fair to say most of us here understand why the BBC has done what it did, as much as we largely dislike it. It was always going to be a difficult task to try and combine two very different news channels into one, and to equally satisfy international and domestic audiences. But... it was (and is) doable. Not that we've seen much evidence of that so far this week - in their traditional and inimitable way, the BBC seem to have come up with a fudge that has annoyed everyone.
Throughout the whole Paul Murrell story breaking this morning (and correct me if I'm wrong) not once did a Political Correspondent appear on air? It was largely handled by 2 general news reporters in the Glasgow newsroom, initially on the phone and then DTL. For example, previously we'd have seen Nick Eardley, Ione Wells, Vicki Young, Ian Watson or Alex Forsyth appear from Westminster. Yet no one from the Political team did, which even though it is Easter holidays, stuck out like a sore thumb.
Shoving that story way down the running order (which they did on the channel) in the afternoon is just the way of igniting the touchpaper on accusations of political cover-ups/bias etc by general viewers who haven't twigged the channel is World News in all but name. What happens if the next alleged scandal involves a member of the other main parties? It's just asking for trouble.
(05-04-2023, 08:41 PM)News76 Wrote:(05-04-2023, 08:16 PM)Chud Wrote: Look at all that talent and experience.
How the hell did we end here-This whole relaunch has been an unmitigated disaster and unless Ofcom finally wake up, there's not a thing we can do it about unless the BBC themselves realize that one news service was never a good idea regardless of money.
(05-04-2023, 08:42 PM)oscillon Wrote: Whoever did the DOG for Christian's special report, did they not know what channel the report will air on?Returning to Christian Fraser's investigation, I noticed that whoever edited it together, apparently was aware to some extent of the lower thirds. When a piece of interview from another outlet with hard burnt-in subtitles was shown, they actually letterboxed it, so the subtitles did not get overlapped by the white ticker (though still overlapped by the semi-transparent upper stripe).
How come the DOG in a report to be broadcast on BBC News overlaps with the BBC News traditional lower thirds (identity + ticker)?
Or was the original intention to show the thing on Panorama or Newsnight?
(05-04-2023, 10:18 PM)harshy Wrote:It was Victoria Fritz doing 5.00-7.00!(05-04-2023, 09:45 PM)ginnyfan Wrote: Who did the morning shifts today? I gather Celia Hatton was on from 08.00 to 10.00 CET and also did Breaking News opt outs. Was Victoria in her early morning slot? The rest of the day was as usual, with Maryam in for Matthew.
Just trying to see who else is appearing. Clearly the fab group in Martine's photo does not seem to be scheduled at the moment.
Unless I imagined it, it was Sally Bundock.