[lookoutwales]

Wouldn't GMTV have gone through UTV's playout at that time - or was there some kind of automated system in place to control the opts?

Macmillan Media also provided the STV regions' opts for a few years. Did find the decision to take away STV's contract a bit baffling (one press report at the time suggested Macmillan could do it more cheaply)

[Stooky Bill]

As a non-rights holder, what would be the incentive to comply with these rules? I know the government passed some laws around the Olympics so maybe in that case they were not only rules but laws.

On a more general note though, what's to stop a channel, say GB News, showing some football highlights recorded from Sky Sports without waiting for Match of the Day to be broadcast?

The thing that prevents them from doing that is the Premier League's lawyers.... and possibly those from Sky/Warner Brothers Discovery.

It's the same as if they or any channel showed anything they shouldn't, except with bigger pockets

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Wouldn't GMTV have gone through UTV's playout at that time - or was there some kind of automated system in place to control the opts?

My understanding is that it went through the ITV company's building, but not their playout area. The news studio would put themselves into and out of line when needed. There was some sort of switch that bypassed the playout area between 6 and 9:25am.

UTV either just put their news studio to air and didn't opt back or just bypassed that switching in their apps room

[James2001]

Yes, that was it. It differs from pre-emption I guess in that UTV, of course, were not legally entitled to do what they did, as they didn’t have a broadcasting license for that time slot. It had lasting impact in that for nearly two decades GMTV/ITV Breakfast wouldn’t deal with UTV, and farmed out the NI news to a series of companies (first Reuters, who produced GMTV’s national news at the time, then ITN, then MacMillan) before, having forgotten at this stage why they had the row in the first place, they finally handed it back to UTV in 2013.

Macmillan took over the Scottish news on GMTV and Daybreak for a while as well. Not sure exactly what STV did wrong that caused that... especially as they'd owned a quarter of GMTV until not long before they lost the news.

[LargelyALurker]

Macmillan took over the Scottish news on GMTV and Daybreak for a while as well. Not sure exactly what STV did wrong that caused that... especially as they'd owned a quarter of GMTV until not long before they lost the news.

Wasn’t it around the time that STV and ITV Plc were in a particularly bad place? South Park in place of Downton Abbey kind of era (that’s not a literal example to be clear, but the kind of thing that was happening). Different era now, of course.

[ACTV]

Wasn’t it around the time that STV and ITV Plc were in a particularly bad place? South Park in place of Downton Abbey kind of era (that’s not a literal example to be clear, but the kind of thing that was happening). Different era now, of course.

Wonder what they were thinking placing South Park on there, a programme I can't imagine much, if any of ITV1/STV's target audience appreciated at all, especially when it was following News at Ten of all things.

And of course around the same time they pathetically ran the short lived US version of Cracker in primetime, about ten years after it was originally aired.

[Nini]

Here's a question, who composed the theme for BBC Select, the early 90s subscription thing the BBC dabbled with. My first assumption was George Fenton as the goto composer for the BBC at the time but no idea if that's the case.

[Josh]

Not sure if this warrants its own thread but am I right in thinking there is a rule surrounding ad break bumpers being too similar to the surrounding programme (for want of a better phrasing)? For example, an intro from This Morning in 1995 featuring a BT sponsorship:
www.youtube.com 

And the intro of 2010's The Krypton Factor featuring a Sage sponsorship:
www.youtube.com 

[Neil Jones]

Not sure if this warrants its own thread but am I right in thinking there is a rule surrounding ad break bumpers being too similar to the surrounding programme (for want of a better phrasing)? For example, an intro from This Morning in 1995 featuring a BT sponsorship:
www.youtube.com 

And the intro of 2010's The Krypton Factor featuring a Sage sponsorship:
www.youtube.com 

There was a period in the 90s where sponsorships became effectively part of the programme and they were integrated. This causes problems years down the line when those programmes are repeated.

Big thread on the blue place about it:
www.tvforum.co.uk 

Integrated sponsorship in titles: Split from Challenge - June 2016 onwards - TV …
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This example from CiTV's Tellytots in late 1990s/early 200s was probably the logical conclusion, as the sponsorship is on the exact same shape as the CiTV logo of the time and would have run straight into the strand:
www.youtube.com 

By 2010 and Krypton Factor the lines of distinction had been blurred, and after all these days you have sponsorship bumpers featuring (for example) Chasers that appear during episodes of The Chase... that was a big no no 30 years ago. I remember Channel 5 got in trouble because somebody who appeared on one of their programmes also happened to appear in an advert break during that programme and the ITC said not supposed to let that happen, though I suspect regulator decisions aren't based on precedents.

[Rdd]

As I said on that thread, it hasn’t gone away, to this day Soccer Saturday still has integrated sponsorship in its titles.

[Neil Jones]

I never said it had gone away!
I was implying that it has become so inclusive and non-distinctive now its sometimes hard to tell where the programme ends and the sponsorship begins, or vice versa.

Soccer Saturday of course IIRC runs ad breaks not full screen, which I seem to remember they had to get permission for initially to do that, and now these days GB News does the same to an extent, running it nearly full screen.