[harryb]

The new TOTH titles are bugging me. Christian Fraser is at Buckingham Palace and they are using the 'new' shortened titles but where the studio panning shot usually would be is just a close up of Christian while the music theme tune still plays and just makes it look awkward for Christian.

[cando]

It's 2023 not 2003. Seriously the world has moved on

[DTV]

What I protest to is having a service which is not on a par with what we had before. There is no way anyone could say in all seriousness that people in the UK are getting the same service as they were with the old channel especially in relation to the content. Despite what some members think i do understand the financial difficulties the BBC is in but it feels very much as if the focus is going on appealing the American market. Whenever I turn on it now seems to be a talking head of sort giving opinion. 

I know some have said that there are still the network bulletins but there is not the time in these to have MPs questioned at depth, or look in details at stories. These single item opt out streams idten feel like they padding time where other stories could be covered.

I don't think anybody is trying to claim that the new channel is the same service - at best some will say it is a different service of a similar quality, but I think, from the perspective of UK news, few would say anything but it being weaker (though, of course, as things stand, that is the most rational course for the BBC). Arguably, it would have made more sense for the BBC to stress it being a new, different service than trying to highlight the continuities, but we are where we are.

But I do also think that some of the commentary here compares the current channel to a News channel that didn't really exist or at least hadn't for several years. E.g., I, like many, do not care for endless pundit discussions, but the use of talking heads was already pretty prevalent and seemingly growing in the last few years of the News channel. And I'm not particularly sure that the channel's standard hours were ever the place I'd seek out in-depth analysis and interviews, certainly not in an appointment-to-view manner.

Plus, while I would agree that the Breaking opts could do with being tightened up a bit, including covering some other stories in brief, I can see why they do it like that - most viewers of the channel do not watch for an extended period of time and so they want to ensure that anybody who  is tuning in for fifteen minutes gets the details.

[Andrew]

The new TOTH titles are bugging me. Christian Fraser is at Buckingham Palace and they are using the 'new' shortened titles but where the studio panning shot usually would be is just a close up of Christian while the music theme tune still plays and just makes it look awkward for Christian.

It’s always awkward when they do that, on network at 3pm they just held on the end of the titles for too long

Like they do on ITV News, when there are on an OB, the newsroom panning shot should be replaced with a wide establishing shot of the location

[ALV]

A random thought but I think this community needs a consensus on coming up with an abbreviation for the new combined news channel. Previously we use NC for the News Channel and WN/World for World News. What about the new BBC News??? It's just so weird to refer to the channel as just "BBC News" because this brand covers the entire division, while "the new BBC News channel" sounds too wordy in this thread...

My suggestion is "BN". This abbreviation is extracted from the Red Bee MCR's HUD for the world feed, spotted in this picture. Before the merger the HUD refers the channel as "WN" (e.g "WN Break Bumper Short 3'")


Yea I know "BN" is gonna sound weird, but I think I'm gonna get used to it after a while...

[AJB39]

A random thought but I think this community needs a consensus on coming up with an abbreviation for the new combined news channel. Previously we use NC for the News Channel and WN/World for World News. What about the new BBC News??? It's just so weird to refer to the channel as just "BBC News" because this brand covers the entire division, while "the new BBC News channel" sounds too wordy in this thread...

Referring to the two feeds of the new channel as the UK and the World feed works for me.

[damian]

A random thought but I think this community needs a consensus on coming up with an abbreviation for the new combined news channel. Previously we use NC for the News Channel and WN/World for World News. What about the new BBC News??? It's just so weird to refer to the channel as just "BBC News" because this brand covers the entire division, while "the new BBC News channel" sounds too wordy in this thread...

My suggestion is "BN". This abbreviation is extracted from the Red Bee MCR's HUD for the world feed, spotted in this picture. Before the merger the HUD refers the channel as "WN" (e.g "WN Break Bumper Short 3'")


Yea I know "BN" is gonna sound weird, but I think I'm gonna get used to it after a while...

Mm nah, UK and World feed has worked on here since the merger, no need to change just because it’s on a monitor. Imo anyway.

[Kojak]

A random thought but I think this community needs a consensus on coming up with an abbreviation for the new combined news channel. Previously we use NC for the News Channel and WN/World for World News. What about the new BBC News??? It's just so weird to refer to the channel as just "BBC News" because this brand covers the entire division, while "the new BBC News channel" sounds too wordy in this thread...

My suggestion is "BN". This abbreviation is extracted from the Red Bee MCR's HUD for the world feed, spotted in this picture. Before the merger the HUD refers the channel as "WN" (e.g "WN Break Bumper Short 3'")


Yea I know "BN" is gonna sound weird, but I think I'm gonna get used to it after a while...

Whilst we’re at it we might as well start abbreviating the names of the other channels… say B1, B2, B3 etc? 

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You said we are getting the same amount of US-originated output as we did in 2008 - it’s been a few years, and I can’t remember exactly what was originated from the States back then? I know WNA existed, as it does now, but that is only half an hour.

Around 2008, you had World News America at 00:30, ABC World News at 01:30 and World News Today - initially co-presented by Philippa Thomas in Washington - for the 03:00 hour. So, if you split WNT in half, 90 minutes of US-originated content during the overnights, roughly the same as now. In fact, until really about 2010, there was always a strong US lean on News 24 overnight - USA Direct was originally shown three times a night, then you had the London-New York edition of World Business Report from 2000-07 - so I guess the current set-up isn't that out of the ordinary.

I’m a bit surprised that the BBC has never rebroadcast the CBS News since the two organisations partnered up. I’d have thought that might be an easy way to fill 20-30 minutes at night. Indeed, if they were clever, they could shift the Hardtalk replay to 23:10 and then show CBS through to midnight. Would be a bit cleaner than the current mess.

[ALV]

Whilst we’re at it we might as well start abbreviating the names of the other channels… say B1, B2, B3 etc? 

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It's just a thought~ I just think the community has been abbreviating the two news channels' name for many years (since the N24 era back in TVF) and I thought it was a good idea to continue the tradition...

But oh well if it's redundant now then sure let's just go with "UK/World feed" and "BBC News". No exaggeration intended on my side.

[Independent]

Just because the BBC is expanding the staff Washington bureau does not mean that the BBC is pleading to the US.

It’s appalling how some people jump to conclusions that aren’t even true nowadays.

In all honesty, Caitriona will be a great addition to the BBC News bureau in Washington.

As a long time World News viewer, the news agenda has tilted a lot towards the US over time to the detriment of all other parts of the world since the first budget cuts in 2015 because they have to chase ad revenues more than ever before. Overnights from 1am to 5am from DC isn't bad and though I'm not familiar with Caitriona I believe she will do an excellent job. Following the sun for an international news channel is a great idea if it can be done. My complaint as a WN viewer is the disproportionate attention to US domestic stories. If I wanted US news, I could just switch to a US network.
The appeal of BBC WN for me was it was based in the UK but global in POV. This was probably the appeal for long-time American viewers too. The BBC allowed me to see how large and diverse the world really is. The BBC in the past treated the US as a country in the world. A major power in world so it did get a bit more attention even back then but most of the US stories had global or international relevance. But now it's a lot more American local and culture war stories and more time spent on each of them. Newsday should be titled towards Asia but you get a wallop of US-specific news these days. World News Today for European and African primetime was filled with interesting news from all over the world with a bit more on those regions. Now these hours feature a lot of US news.